VIT vs. STR 3.2

[koroko220]

As far as the damage nerf goes too I forgot to mention marauder didn't get any enmity changes nor did dark knight other than tank stances so wouldn't doing less damage without tank stance modifiers make low level tanking harder? I'm just wondering thoughts or experiences on this would be, because imo low level tanking is hard enough on new people, no wonder there's hardly any tanks.

[ronin_cse]

Then you never played with a good thaumaturge who can rip hate off you before you could even blink. It's unfair how easy they can rip hate at low level.

Sure that happens, but the tiny amount of dmg I would have gotten from str wouldn't make a difference. You just pop a taunt and get the threat back, or you ignore it because it just has a sliver of health left anyways. That situation won't change post 3.2 and might even be better because lower lvl tanks probably have more vit from their quest gear and such anyways, and totally new players wouldn't intuitively use a stat that isn't their main stat anyways.

[koroko220]

Having leveled gladiator/paladin on two characters now, especially at lower levels, between aoe and single target threat it is almost entirely about keeping your gear up to date. i've done countless dungeons at lower levels on that class with a broad spectrum of players and never encountered this problem. perhaps you are talking about when the game first came out?

No I recently leveled on an alt in halatali having the best gear possible for my level full str (before 3.2) and I couldn't hardly keep hate on mobs that my i190+ black mage friend would hit. This would only happen with the first mob of a group or if another wandering mob would come by and she attacked it first (me without having provoke yet too)

[koroko220]

Sure that happens, but the tiny amount of dmg I would have gotten from str wouldn't make a difference. You just pop a taunt and get the threat back, or you ignore it because it just has a sliver of health left anyways. That situation won't change post 3.2 and might even be better because lower lvl tanks probably have more vit from their quest gear and such anyways, and totally new players wouldn't intuitively use a stat that isn't their main stat anyways.

That's very true, when I first heard "go str instead" I as like WHAAA :@ lol but I believe there's posts on here too saying lvl 60 tanks are even having a harder time keeping single target aggro.

[ronin_cse]

That's very true, when I first heard "go str instead" I as like WHAAA :@ lol but I believe there's posts on here too saying lvl 60 tanks are even having a harder time keeping single target aggro.

Most of the one's I have read so far were from people still trying to tank in dps stance with a couple exceptions.

Plus PLDs got enmity buffs too so I am satisfied

[Malicewolf]

Frankly no, aggro hasn't really been an issue IMO once I learned the dungeon and patrol routes and such....anyways I doubt the small boost to dmg you get at lvl 40 from whatever str you have managed to scrape together will make much of a difference for new tanks. I didn't even start adding my bonus points to str until 40 anyways since I was "rebelling" against the meta .

I will say, as someone who is fine with this change, pre-50 content wise, you have very little overall differences in your VIT to STR stats. Your accessories were only giving you a boost of like, 6 in whatever stat it was allocating in. At level 50 with the higher item level gear is where you could finally start to see the greater effects of vit vs. str gear. At level 60, it was night and day.

I did run Ex roulette with my 210 vit tank and had much more trouble holding hate than usual than I did with my 200 str tank. Granted, I could grab right back, but my rotation had to be changed to compensate. Especially for big AoE hitters like BLM's.

[koroko220]

I will say, as someone who is fine with this change, pre-50 content wise, you have very little overall differences in your VIT to STR stats. Your accessories were only giving you a boost of like, 6 in whatever stat it was allocating in. At level 50 with the higher item level gear is where you could finally start to see the greater effects of vit vs. str gear. At level 60, it was night and day.

I did run Ex roulette with my 210 vit tank and had much more trouble holding hate than usual than I did with my 200 str tank. Granted, I could grab right back, but my rotation had to be changed to compensate. Especially for big AoE hitters like BLM's.

This is why I was wondering. My 205 summoner was pulling aggro on my friend's 207 dark who was spamming unleash and abyssal drain like crazy.

Edit: I like the idea of being a real tank now via more HP and whatnot. What I'm worried about is will it now be harder to keep aggro? I don't want to have to work 20x harder just because they changed str and vit :c

[Duuude007]

may be a wrench in the works but... what if vit influences more than just flat AP? like flash being boosted by str.

[Ultimatecalibur]

may be a wrench in the works but... what if vit influences more than just flat AP? like flash being boosted by str.

... You are confusing things. Flash was and still is influenced by Attack Power. Strength boosted Flash because it boosts AP and AP influences the amount of enmity Flash generates.

[LinarUnders]

But still for some reason [Slaying] > [Fending] in terms of DPS. Just a little better, like 5%.