[3.0] Craftsmanship and Control bonus parameters will be added to Souls of the Crafte

[MomomiMomi]

Well for one, it totally is collusion to buddy up to avoid competition. Second, prices will remain artificially inflated if there's no competition, due to collusion.

First of all, you can't buddy up to avoid competition when your competition is the entire world. This is not collusion, unless if you can get everyone to agree to join.

Prices will not remain inflated, because there will always be competition. If people are avoiding buying things from the market board, then those things will have to lower their price. If those prices are not low enough to compete with your so-called collusion, they won't sell. They won't sell until prices reach a competitive point.

[Mindy_Macready]

First of all, you can't buddy up to avoid competition when your competition is the entire world. This is not collusion, unless if you can get everyone to agree to join.

Prices will not remain inflated, because there will always be competition. If people are avoiding buying things from the market board, then those things will have to lower their price. If those prices are not low enough to compete with your so-called collusion, they won't sell. They won't sell until prices reach a competitive point.

Your competition isn't the entire world though. People will just cease to trade outside their circle while keeping MB prices up for those not in any circles. While that's happening you have the true omni-crafters with alts who you can never really compete with in price on your own any ways.

That doesn't sound like a healthy economy to me - that sounds like the game becoming even less social.

[StouterTaru]

While that's happening you have the true omni-crafters with alts who you can never really compete with in price on your own any ways.

So the omnicrafters are selling for such razor thin profits that you can't compete, yet the prices are horrifically inflated?

[Mindy_Macready]

So the omnicrafters are selling for such razor thin profits that you can't compete, yet the prices are horrifically inflated?

It's pretty simple to understand that you will not be able to compete with a crafter's fee on a mat you need, versus no crafter's fee.

[keyburz]

Been selling hq adamantite ingots at 300-500k for a while now, and they sell all the time, and I still make profit. Meanwhile the other 4 2-star mats are going for 800k-1m each, and people still buy. If I can make them at my low price (all the while buying purified coke from other people), then so can the other people with the other 4 mats. Razor thin profit margin my ass.

[Silverbane]

If as I suspect they just DE-specialized all the former specialist recipe (see other thread),

Omnicrafting is back.

And half my reason for leveling an omnicrafter is gone. Oh well, it was fun anyway.

It looks like all 3-Star recipes are Specialist recipes. So now I'm glad my wife and I leveled omnicrafter alts.

[Mindy_Macready]

Been selling hq adamantite ingots at 300-500k for a while now, and they sell all the time, and I still make profit. Meanwhile the other 4 2-star mats are going for 800k-1m each, and people still buy. If I can make them at my low price (all the while buying purified coke from other people), then so can the other people with the other 4 mats. Razor thin profit margin my ass.

Well for one, Adamantite Ingots weren't specialist crafts, so I'm not sure what you're even adding to this discussion.

Second, I never brought up "razor thin margins" at all.

Third, good byeeeeeee specialization crafts (at least the old ones): http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

[keyburz]

Well for one, Adamantite Ingots weren't specialist crafts, so I'm not sure what you're even adding to this discussion.

Second, I never brought up "razor thin margins" at all.

Third, good byeeeeeee specialization crafts (at least the old ones): http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

I never stated that you said razor thin margins, im saying this to anyone that thinks they even exist. If you wanna talk specialist crafts, I sell titanium alloy ingots at 15k each while the other materials go for 100k and up. Also, I seem to recall you saying in one of your posts that you were going to add me to block list. Seems you can still see my posts.

15k with profit compared to 100k, wake up ppl! Do your research and actually calculate the value of those goods you are willing to hand your hard earned money over for. I can put up a party finder requesting assistance for someone to hq some cloth at 5k each attempt, and spend 5-10k on the base mats, or even less if I feel inclined to farm diadem that day

[keyburz]

You seemed pretty upset by my posted directed to you mindy, last time, that from then on I decided to not comment on your posts that you make from then on. But it seems you have lied about blocking me, and intend to try and continue to start a fight with me. So be it. Just remember, you responded first. I fully believed that you blocked me after that thread you made considering the complaints about the favor nodes being turned in for crafting materials.

Here, ill do the work for you.

Thread: Please don't gate scrips behind folklore gathering items in 3.2.
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[StouterTaru]

It's pretty simple to understand that you will not be able to compete with a crafter's fee on a mat you need, versus no crafter's fee.

So two people splitting the profit of the finished product (you and the crafter that made your mat) makes it unprofitable? Or is the person making the mat getting a bigger profit for his one specialist synth than the omnicrafter for his two specialist synths?