That Garlean guy, what was his name? Gaius Van Baelsar

[Greaf]

GAIUS LIVES.

I'll never give up hope. ;_;

Yes he lives... I mean : he will live thanks to Dissidia. (That's what I'm hoping)

Interview Japan Expo 2014 :

Several players were disappointed to see a character as charismatic as Gaius van Baelsar being defeated so easily in the Praetorium. This does not go well with his status and the place he occupied in the Garlean Empire. Can we expect to see one day, a new battle against Gaius? One which would honor the strength he should have had ?
We know that the Wandering Minstrel is capable of many things.


Yoshida : Actually, to tell you the truth, there was a plan to have another battle related with Gaius but at the moment our focus is on other stuffs. There’s many other things that we have to prioritize at the moment so our focus is on other ideas and plans.
I'm thoughtfully aware that Gaius is extremely popular among the players, we see all the feedbacks from our players.
I know some people will say “Rather than joining one of the three City-states Grand Company I would have rather joined the Empire”, I know some people even think that way so I do definitely want to try to focus on their storyline among the Empire as well.
But that being said I’m quite against the idea of having a dead person coming back so if it’s made, I can’t or promise or guarantee it’s going to be happening the way you might want, but there might be some kind of way for you to get the oppotunity to fight against him one day.

[Theodric]

I'm glad that they acknowledge that there's a lot of people who want to side with the Empire. That's very promising - and I'd happily do it in a heartbeat if granted the opportunity. Siding with Garlemald against a much bigger threat out of necessity would be quite intriguing.

[myahele]

A Minstral's Ballad fight seems just about right vs Gaius

[Belhi]

I'd want to see some pretty major policy and attitude changes in the Empire before I allied with Garlemald as a state. The hold forced conquest, oppression, and state sanctioned rape and murder I find off putting, not to mention their habits of messing with stuff which really should be better not messed with.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'd want to see some pretty major policy and attitude changes in the Empire before I allied with Garlemald as a state. The hold forced conquest, oppression, and state sanctioned rape and murder I find off putting, not to mention their habits of messing with stuff which really should be better not messed with.

At least in Ul'dah, Limsa, and Ishguard those things are technically illegal. (Even if Cilia is the only one enforcing them Batman style)

[Cilia]

If we could get a more moderate Garlean faction I wouldn't mind teaming up with or joining them.

Not until they get the conquest and forced conscription taken out of their dogma, and finally learn that messing with Allagan shit is always bad news bears.

Kinda why I'm hoping van Hydrus turns out to be more General Leo than Kefka. Ehh...

[Fenral]

not to mention their habits of messing with stuff which really should be better not messed with.

Oh, yes, because wallowing in one's eternal lack of worthiness is totally the right path a better world. Maybe they lack scruples, but you can't get anywhere by always playing it safe. There isn't an empire in the whole of history that was evil for evil's sake. The stronger and more pure the ideals, the easier it becomes to justify "tragic necessities."

and finally learn that messing with Allagan shit is always bad news bears.

Until we need Omega to stop Shinryu and realize that we burned all the instruction manuals to keep them out of the wrong hands. Whoopsie.

[Cilia]

Until we need Omega to stop Shinryu and realize that we burned all the instruction manuals to keep them out of the wrong hands. Whoopsie.

I'm not saying we should destroy Allagan tech, but messing with it should be a last resort. We need careful study and in-depth instructions to use something like that... even the Allagans didn't fully understand the Ultima Weapon's capabilities, and they made the damn thing!

For all we know, refurbishing and rebooting Omega will just lead to someone using its Wave Cannon and blowing up Ul'dah.

[Belhi]

Oh, yes, because wallowing in one's eternal lack of worthiness is totally the right path a better world. Maybe they lack scruples, but you can't get anywhere by always playing it safe. There isn't an empire in the whole of history that was evil for evil's sake. The stronger and more pure the ideals, the easier it becomes to justify "tragic necessities."


Until we need Omega to stop Shinryu and realize that we burned all the instruction manuals to keep them out of the wrong hands. Whoopsie.

My issue isn't simply the use of Allagan technology. My issue is the recklessness or risks that they take. There is a balance and the Garleans really aren't sensible about what they mess with. They are way too power hungry and arrogant with tech. Just look at the Meteor project. Messing around with the Allagan Transmitter destroyed on of their sites and they still went a head with it regardless with the approval of the emperor. The very fact they considered dropping a moon onto the planet was insanely reckless. There are some things you just really shouldn't mess with.

Using your Shinryu example, yes we might use Omega but only in a situation where we have no other option we can come up with and the risk of activating Omega is less or equal to the act of not stoping Shinryu. The Garleans generally don't wait for there to be that desperate a need.

There is also the ethics aspect. The Allag got into stuff which really shouldn't be repeated just on a moral principle. I mean between Neutral Link technology and their Chimera labs you can see they weren't working with a strong ethical principle. Even with the imprisoning of primals, while a clever way of keeping them from being resummoned, had issues. The state they kept the dragons in Dalamud was extremely cruel.

Now I agree that no empire is evil for evils sake. I'm not even calling the Garlean's evil. Its just what they are doing and the risks they take isn't ok.

[CyrilLucifer]

Well, at this point it's not like it's even realistically feasible for us to ally with them, anyway, no matter how much we twist our logic and agree with certain policies. Not because of the whole way they're painted as evil, but because our Echo. Until they can get over that particular barrier, we probably shouldn't go anywhere near them.

Or until we learn to better control it and don't go spamming it on random peoples' memories against their will to use to our advantage while inside a city where it's obvious for anyone with eyes to see.

The same goes for Sharlayan too, really, but they'd be interested for entirely different, unhealthy reasons.