Why can't you see your stats when you finish dung/raids and trials?

[Andrea]

I posed this question in many of the parser thread's yet have never received an answer to it, it was even highlighted many time by fellow poster's but once again completely ignored by the anti-parser crowd.

"Did you partake in the MCH exclusion, if so why?"

1. I agree with pretty much everything you've typed.

2. To answer your question, No, I have yet to exclude any class on this game and most likely never will. If someone knows how to play there class that is all I need.

[Torunya]

I would like this feature added. It is in PVP anyway.

And there it can stay. I'll quote the same thing I said in a similar topic:

"I'm... actually very against this in the PvE scene. I was never a huge fan of the PvP games and the huge emphasis on competetive play, with scoreboards and rankings and whatnot; and I definitely do not want to see this in FFXIV in any other place except for PvP where it belongs. Knowing that there is going to be a huge "result screen" at the end of my expert roulette just leaves me with a grinding feeling in my stomach, and it's straight up uncomfortable. SE is already adding Stone, Sky, Sea as a means of dps measurement outside of parsing, so it's not like anyone determined to know what numbers they're dealing won't have ways of finding that out. But a full on status screen after a dungeon run? No. The day that happens is the day I hang up my shield and cry in a corner."

[Kaurie]

And there it can stay. I'll quote the same thing I said in a similar topic:

"I'm... actually very against this in the PvE scene. I was never a huge fan of the PvP games and the huge emphasis on competetive play, with scoreboards and rankings and whatnot; and I definitely do not want to see this in FFXIV in any other place except for PvP where it belongs. Knowing that there is going to be a huge "result screen" at the end of my expert roulette just leaves me with a grinding feeling in my stomach, and it's straight up uncomfortable. SE is already adding Stone, Sky, Sea as a means of dps measurement outside of parsing, so it's not like anyone determined to know what numbers they're dealing won't have ways of finding that out. But a full on status screen after a dungeon run? No. The day that happens is the day I hang up my shield and cry in a corner."

What about those of us who enjoy competition but not PvP?

[Andrea]

But a full on status screen after a dungeon run? No. The day that happens is the day I hang up my shield and cry in a corner."

See, Im the opposite of this. I welcome some way of showing who isn't pulling their weight.

If when the results pop up in the players example and you see clearly that your dps is way behind others, shouldn't you use that as motivation to improve?

I get that a very small population will most likely abuse it. But the majority of people that would abuse it are already doing this with parsers anyway.

I don't understand why we wouldn't add something that may most likely help some people get the motivation to improve just because of a few toxic idiots

[Whiteroom]

See, Im the opposite of this. I welcome some way of showing who isn't pulling their weight.

If when the results pop up in the players example and you see clearly that your dps is way behind others, shouldn't you use that as motivation to improve?

I get that a very small population will most likely abuse it. But the majority of people that would abuse it are already doing this with parsers anyway.

I don't understand why we wouldn't add something that may most likely help some people get the motivation to improve just because of a few toxic idiots

I guess some people perfer "ignorance is bliss" and wiping, over improvement and clearing.

[loreleidiangelo]

I want to clarify on that last note. I said "judge the player". In that sense, I don't mean harass a player who performs poorly - I feel this is an important distinction to make. I mean either a) help them by providing rotation advice, or b) kick/abandon. If you are doing an extreme primal with a very solid DPS check (i.e. Bismark EX at launch), then you're just wasting your time wiping with people pulling sub 500 DPS. I don't mean to suggest that one abandon's an expert roulette simply because the DPS suck. **In no way do I promote harassment**

The issue is that a lot of people tend to conflate exclusion from groups as harassment in and of itself.

[Kaurie]

The issue is that a lot of people tend to conflate exclusion from groups as harassment in and of itself.

If it is like an expert roulette, I agree. If someone is pulling 40% less DPS than is required as a bare minimum to clear [edit] endgame primals/raids, then everyone's time is wasted. Can kick, but mostly people just abandon. That isn't harassment.

To clarify, if that is harassment, then the people holding the team back are griefers.

[azlewood]

OMFG THIS GAME IS NOT ABOUT STATS, THEREFORE IF WE BRING DIS WE GET ELTISIT WHO CARE ABOUT NUMBERS

[Torunya]

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If I was playing a MOBA, I would expect nothing less than a status rundown of everyone's contribution at the end. As is expected in almost any form of PvP. I frankly don't see how adding this feature to an MMORPG in PvE can do anything other than harm. In doing so, anyone not performing to certain standards will be excluded and unwanted by the community. It borders on the very often-mentioned elitism topic, in which that introducing such a system in PvE will allow the few "toxic idiots" free reign to call out anyone's dps. Now if we're going to talk about self-improvement, that's another thing. If you read my initial post you'll see that I mentioned both SSS and parsing as a valid means of measurement to anyone who wants to better their own skills. The tools are there to any player who is genuinely interested in becoming better, and SSS will only make that even easier.

But I feel this involves a certain level of privacy issues, as I would imagine many players are quite defensive about their performance. Especially if it ends up being wanting. Try comparing this scenario to a test in school: Would you rather everyone's grades were put up on a bulletin board for all to see, or would you want to recieve the test back individually and only share your grade with others if you so desired? The school system where I'm from advocates the latter, and I think it grants the people who don't perform as well a chance to improve on their own accord without the added unnecessary audience.

In the end you'll always have people who honestly couldn't care less about their performance, that's reality. But I think that pulling everyone into the limelight of the stage is not the answer, and will in fact end up being more destructive than constructive.

[CUTS3R]

I like how these threads always come down to people saying everyone using parsers just care for their numbers and don't do mechanics.

To be fair i have a friend in my FC like that when we do roulettes together ( me as healer and him as BLM ) .

Hes on PS4 so he has no way to precisely measure his DPS. But be assured he'll try as hard as he can, ignoring mechanics and AOEs i can heal him through. Just so he can do more DPS.

I dont mind that because hes a friend but i occasionally see randoms BLMs doing that aswell. More than any other jobs.

So yh if a parser was in game there would be even more BLMs... I mean DPS just completely ignoring every mechanics just to "prove" their Epeen is longer.