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  1. #21
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by papichulo123 View Post
    With tanks having more health I guess healers can dps more so it evens out with raid damage
    No, not really. Everything is almost certainly (99.999% chance) going to hit harder as well to make up for it (also say goodbye to DPS/healers tanking anything for more than 2 seconds) and it will take more heals to get a tank back to full HP.

    Expect both healers needing to heal most of the time, like back in the Coil progression days
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  2. #22
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    it will take more heals to get a tank back to full HP.
    Why do people keep bringing this up as if tanks need to be topped off 100% of the time? ._.
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  3. #23
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    You call that a nerf?

    It's a rework at best. You'll do more damage and have more health. So you won't have the full DPS of a strength tank with the health of a vit tank, so? Surely I can't be the only one who can see that would be overpowered as hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Why do people keep bringing this up as if tanks need to be topped off 100% of the time? ._.
    This.

    I have a full VIT tank and a full strength tank in my static. I literally don't notice a difference healing the two, and neither of them effect my ability to DPS. I don't know why people keep saying 'oh vit tanks take more healing', because if their health gets so low that the extra vit makes a difference, then it would have been a wipe without it, so it's silly to complain....

    Argument literally only applies to DRKs that use walking dead, and the very few mechanics where warriors have to holmgang, and even then it's one more physick at worst. Whoopdie freaking do. XD

    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post

    Expect both healers needing to heal most of the time, like back in the Coil progression days
    I also must say that I scholar'd my way through all of coil while it was current, and there wasn't a single fight I couldn't DPS in. I wonder if you know what you are talking about.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 02-19-2016 at 02:33 PM.

  4. #24
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    T'erra Branford
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Why do people keep bringing this up as if tanks need to be topped off 100% of the time? ._.
    I think they are assuming battle design will change with tanks being more tanky. Lots more incomming damage.
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  5. #25
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    Starkbeaumont's Avatar
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    Raegen Beaumont
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    Spriggan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    not a nerf at all if you consider SE had us use VIT stuff anyway. if you used penta melded you already had the best of both worlds. and since they compared the changes to the current str tanks, we might be looking at almost the same numbers a penta melded tank is doing atm
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  6. #26
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    Lhei Fox
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    it wont be a nerf, dmg still important for tank to hold aggro aginst burst classes. If we start do less then 100 dps compare to people who burn almost 2k dps then we will have seriously hard time to hold aggro even how pro you are.

    So for me its a buff and prolly be more intressting to.
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  7. #27
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    Kori Fleming
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragology View Post
    I think its because they have to balance raid DPS with what the expected tank contributions would be and making it higher because tanks can do more damage would make it harder for groups with non optimal tank players in them.
    This is right.
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  8. #28
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    Charlemagne Martell
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    The translation everyone is citing has been pointed out to be not perfect.

    STR build tanks are being nerfed across the board.

    VIT build tanks will not see a DPS decrease. WAR DPS will remain as high as it is now, but DRK and PLD will seer an increase that puts them very very close if not identical to WAR.
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  9. #29
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    Waryax Pan'rah
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    I think it's a devious way to shake up the meta. They'll be giving tanks more hp and lowering their signifigance in dps a bit, which in turn might imply that bosses will do bigger hits. Then healers would have to heal a bit more too, making them unable to dps as much. This added with more relaxed dps checks and more emphasis on mechanics sounds like a refreshing change.
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    Last edited by Waryax; 02-19-2016 at 02:43 PM. Reason: Phrasing

  10. #30
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    Draelon Eldad
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodb View Post
    in general on a training dummy, warrior can do 1,500 dps?
    Bard is around 1,900 dps?

    I don't use a parser I'm just trying to search around the web for numbers instead of assuming tanks do as much damage as bards and machinists.
    We can easily out dps bad dps.
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