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    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji View Post
    Say what now!? This is the first we've heard of this, right?

    Wonder if this will ever come up in the game itself...I'd love to know more. Anything that digs into civilizations past has my attention.
    We've been known the temple was retrofitted by the Belah'diahns long after the people who built it were gone, but we still have no idea who actually built the temple, what happened to them, nor how long ago they existed. Just that the temple had already been long abandoned by the time Belah'diah was founded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogaea View Post
    Aww... for a second there I really was thinking Miqo'te were some sort of rogue experiment made by the allagans because they had the azeyma symbols on the cathedral since they've migrated around mericidia at some point. X(
    Naming convention Keeper section.

    Unlike the Seekers of the Sun, the Keepers of the Moon is a highly matriarchal society, with family names passed down from the mother, not the father. It is said that some of these surnames have survived since the First Astral Era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji View Post
    Say what now!? This is the first we've heard of this, right?

    Wonder if this will ever come up in the game itself...I'd love to know more. Anything that digs into civilizations past has my attention.
    Sightseeing log #61.
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    I've always wondered at the composition of the Allagan Civilization in terms of race. I suppose we know now that there were Miqo'te among the Allagans, and Hyur, but I'm curious what, if any, other races also were part of their population? For that matter, what roles did various races play? Was it a Hyuran Majority, and a Miqo'te Minority? Were there any races that were simply enslaved? Are some races possibly genetic alterations of others?

    Can't help but wonder if maybe some of the modern Beast Tribe races could've been Allagan experiments originally. I'd love a thorough, in-depth read about ancient Allagan and how it connects to the races of modern Hydaelyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    Can't help but wonder if maybe some of the modern Beast Tribe races could've been Allagan experiments originally. I'd love a thorough, in-depth read about ancient Allagan and how it connects to the races of modern Hydaelyn.
    The Ixal are. Vanu Vanu and Gnath are also suspected as such, the rest unknown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    (What appears to be) confirmation that some (Many!? ALL!?) primals are at their core actual remains of actual living things?
    I suppose that depends on if it's the initial summoning and those that follow that leads to a remanifestation of the many infinite parts that have been scattered, or just subsequent summons after an initial creation from (for lack of a better descriptor) generic aether and a particular belief and attitude.
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    Was I the only one that read that the tree-like race that worshipped Sephirot believed him to be a huge tree and automatically thought "Exodus!" (Ex-death, X-Death, Exdeath, whatever's your flavour)? I know they're not in any way related (Sephirot being from VI while Exodus is from V) but I hope this does mean we're getting a few more references to Ivalicean Espers, that's my favourite FF setting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    I hope this does mean we're getting a few more references to Ivalicean Espers, that's my favourite FF setting...
    The Scions of Dark theories dying with Cuchu in VA was one of my biggest lore-disappointments. It tore my dreams apart, brutal and hard, like getting smashed off of Titan's platform because you stood an inch away from his butt when he squats on you. They're probably just going to end up all voidsent of something, barely even references at all.

    I wouldn't keep your hopes up for Exdeath though. That would open too many doors that SE probably wants to keep closed for now (like Mateus).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    I suppose that depends on if it's the initial summoning <...> or just subsequent summons after an initial creation from
    Rocl and I were just discussing this exact thing when trying to decide on the best doors to leave open and closed in that logic.

    If all primals are, at their core, the scattered remnants of a specific previously-living thing rematerialized over and over, that's easy to make sense of. One could argue, of course, that the identity of that specific thing barely matters after a while, since the entire observable nature (shape and behavior) is warped by the summoners. Louisoix was a stubborn old scholar intent on preventing a Calamity and he came back as a dreadwyrm slaying firebird that heals wounded landscapes. A thousand years from now, if a people who worship the idea of the Phoenix try to summon it... would it matter that Louisoix was at the core? Would they care? Would it be of any consequence whatsoever? Does it matter that Chieftain Moggle (could have been / was) at the core of Good King Moggle Mog XII, who was nothing like him and as good as a myth made manifest?

    However, if it's simply that the scattered parts of one Ifrit make the next Ifrit - but - Ifrit is still an invented aetheric shade, which has less impact on the larger lore, you run into a chicken and egg situation. When he was summoned the first time, the prayers and aether acted as a beacon and catalyst for the re-materialization of what? Knowing what we now know, you need re-confirmation that you can summon something completely fresh. I'd be tempted to use Carbuncles and Faeries as an example of such, but their original summonings are based on your own living aether - they're arcane.

    So many answers... just... slipping through my fingers. (Probably because I'm overthinking them.)
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    "I shall refrain from making any further wild claims until such time as I have evidence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Q:
    How are dragon names decided? Many of the dragons in and around Anyx Trine have names made from words in from the dragon language, but there are others--Vidofnir, Vedrfolnir, Gullinkambi--who have names taken from Norse Mythology like Midgardsormr and his children's are. Is there a reason they have their own unique names? Are names like this earned?

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    Every dragon has a name in the base draconian tongue, including the more prominent figures such as Bahamut, Vidofnir, Midgardsormr, etc. The 'Eorzean' names have been earned through the dragons' interactions with past civilizations. The elder dragons (especially those of Midgardsormr's first brood) have spent thousand (tens-of-thousands) of years roaming about Hydaelyn. During that time, they have come in contact with many different peoples--some primitive, some advanced. Some with which they warred, some with which they fostered peace. Those peoples gave the dragons names in their own tongues. Some were based on existing words in those tongues, while others were phonetic interpretations, bastardizations, and subsequent degradations of a language that they could not accurately pronounce. These names took hold amongst the people of Eorzea, being passed down orally and in print, and effectively became the second names of the dragons. Rather than fight this, it was ultimately easier for the dragons to simply allow man to call them what they wished. Some of the dragons have even grown fond of these names, choosing to use them even when speaking with other dragons (who would otherwise know them by their draconian names).

    I would love this to be expanded upon, like for example, are the names given by people somehow based on their appearence? Or maybe on them trying to say the dragonic names but failing to say it correctly then it being a game of chinese whispers till what came about stuck, and if so of all of these, what kind of naming convention do they have in their native tongue?

    Really happy to see more dragon lore though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    They're probably just going to end up all voidsent of something, barely even references at all.
    In fact, the floodgates were opened all the way back in 2.0 with Belias-egi, dashed with Ultima/Altima (both the Weapon AND the Ascian, though if said Ascian suddenly has plans to nuke Eorzea from orbit with a light magic cannon, I'll die) then dashed FURTHER with Zodiark until, as you say, we'll only get a few nods here and there...
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