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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    However, if it's simply that the scattered parts of one Ifrit make the next Ifrit - but - Ifrit is still an invented aetheric shade, which has less impact on the larger lore, you run into a chicken and egg situation. When he was summoned the first time, the prayers and aether acted as a beacon and catalyst for the re-materialization of what? Knowing what we now know, you need re-confirmation that you can summon something completely fresh. I'd be tempted to use Carbuncles and Faeries as an example of such, but their original summonings are based on your own living aether - they're arcane.
    The easy answer is, at least to me, "the form given by the believers." That is, they imagined a god or gods based around the the hardships and shelters given by their environs (or whatever else an ancient religion forms around), and it's THAT image that the aether coalesces into.

    We have a huge glut of ancient belief systems centered around invented shades, and quite a number of them had such a rich tradition of belief around them (both literary and oral) that basically anyone would be able to easily form the basis of a re-materialization even today (never mind back when they were actively worshiped). There's no evidence that, say, Amun-Ra was ever a real person, but I'm sure his temple priests could have come up with a pretty clear image to summon him when Akhenaten put their position in jeopardy, if Ancient Egypt had existed in Hydaelyn. As humans, we tend to have at least a subconscious image of what we worship.

    oh my god I'm discussing lore with Moose directly please go easy on me senpai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Greetings all!

    Answers to three new questions have been added to the original post. Check them out while waiting for 3.2 to go live!
    OMG.... Thanks so much for the new information!!!

    But this really brings me orther doubts.

    Was that sculptor so ignorant and lazy? Couldnt just spend 2 minutes to ask Hraesvelgr how Shiva really looked?

    We now know that there were humans living on the Churing Mists and the Forelands when the dragonsong war started. Also that Ishgard is even more older than the stories we have heared at the begining, so on those times there were a lot of people that didnt have Thordan and his knights 's blood.

    What happened to all of them? Did Nidhogg killed most of them?

    Even if thats was Nidhogg did. Can we assume that , not knowing why they were so brutally attaked on the colonies after 200 years of peace plus the false story of the remaining Knights about "Dragons started this, we are inoccent". Well can say that is proabably what happened. But is still a lot of people, far more than just 7. Hard for me to believe that after 1 thousand years, what could have started as a false tale to avoid the guilt, ending being something VERY different, like the older history never existed on the first place. There has to be at least some people ,appart from the Archobishop and assosiates, who at least knew that the tale of Ishgard's foundation was a lie ( not about how the war truly started but how Ishgard was actually founded )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    (It also helped that Qarn was built atop the remnants of something much, much older than the Belah'dian civilization)."
    And now I just wanna know what that is, since I had originally assumed that Qarn was simply built over Meracydian ruins, not a copy of Meracydian ruins built on something else entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    And now I just wanna know what that is, since I had originally assumed that Qarn was simply built over Meracydian ruins, not a copy of Meracydian ruins built on something else entirely.
    I think we just have our first tip of what happened on the 4 astral era.

    Could this confirm that Qarn could have being built on the 4th astral?
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    Thats some really interesting information, I love it!

    Also if the primal attitude and behaviour change depending on the needs of the ones that summon them, wouldnt that mean FC summoning could be a thing since we'd be summoning a more friendly primal? Lore loop-hole!
    I am even more interested in how the ancient Meracydia looked like before everything went down now~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    It also helped that Qarn was built atop the remnants of something much, much older than the Belah'dian civilization.
    I'm genuinely curious what this means. Do we know anything about this or is this entirely new information?

    Quote Originally Posted by YakushiHinata View Post
    Thats some really interesting information, I love it!

    Also if the primal attitude and behaviour change depending on the needs of the ones that summon them, wouldnt that mean FC summoning could be a thing since we'd be summoning a more friendly primal? Lore loop-hole!
    I am even more interested in how the ancient Meracydia looked like before everything went down now~
    The problem with us summoning primals is that they still suck the land dry of aether, even if they're benevolent like Ramuh. Unless we can find a way to summon them without killing the planet it's just not gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    I'm genuinely curious what this means. Do we know anything about this or is this entirely new information?
    Maybe im confuse but not he said more the ess the answer already?

    What people did see was that many of the buildings that were still standing amongst the destruction wrought by the Calamity were covered in these arcane symbols. Many superstitious people took this to mean that they were some kind of wards that protected these structures (not realizing that a lot of buildings with those designs also were destroyed as well)
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    There's a little bit of me that's admittedly curious about where the fact that the Miqo'te are originally Meracydian and that the Seekers of the Sun specifically worship Azeyma as their matron deity ties in with the symbols of Sephirot and the Allagan worship of Azeyma. Seems like that's not entirely coincidental.
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    Talk to me about the Zermaat Five sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansemaru View Post
    There's a little bit of me that's admittedly curious about where the fact that the Miqo'te are originally Meracydian and that the Seekers of the Sun specifically worship Azeyma as their matron deity ties in with the symbols of Sephirot and the Allagan worship of Azeyma. Seems like that's not entirely coincidental.
    I have been instructed many times over not to even attempt to draw any conclusions from the one outright-confirmed Allagan descendant we've encountered being a male Seeker. There's no meaning there at all, I'm sure.
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    Hello, yes, Koji Fox are you open to marriage proposals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I have been instructed many times over not to even attempt to draw any conclusions from the one outright-confirmed Allagan descendant we've encountered being a male Seeker. There's no meaning there at all, I'm sure.
    Eh, eh, eh? Doga, Unei, Amon, Phelgethon, Xande?
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