Insane Theory: Are YOU a Primal?

[PArcher]

No one knows where you character comes from. Not even you. You just showed up in a carriage one day, or a boat, or whatever. You just appear.
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So the first point is self-explanatory. You appear out of nowhere. Kind of like primals.

First off, role-playing mechanism. Don't look into this much further than that. The game is an RPG with a silent protagonist for you to make how you wish

Primals require a massive amount of prayer to summon.
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For #2, where would the large amount of prayer needed to summon a primal come from? *** People tend not to know what their dieties actually look like in truth, but enough imaginative people together and you get...you.

Why would they be praying enough to cause a primal to appear? Maybe there had been a major catastrophe that happened, or was about to happen?

The Calamity, mayhap?

The Calamity did summon a Primal; Phoenix. Go through the FCoB storyline, especially the special T12 cutscene again.

It took an immense amount of coordinated prayer and aether manipulation to summon Phoenix; a Primal isn't going to suddenly spawn 5 years later from the after-effects.

Beastmen don't really need a very good reason to summon their primals. Some of them just want to have them all the time to destroy their enemies (Amal'jaa, Gnath), some look to them for protection (Sylph, Sahagin, Kobold). If they want to summon it, they're going to summon it. And as we all know from Shiva and Good King Moggle Mog, a primal may not necessarily be a "primal" as thought, but still a manifestation of enough prayers to convey the strength of a primal.

Sidenote: all the AAR Primals were initially summoned out of fear. Even Ifrit and Shiva. What happened after the Primal tempered their followers changed the reason for future summonings, but the initial was still fear. Of the ones we have known summoners (basically, not the Triad and Odin), there's only one Primal summoned for truly selfish reasons; Ravana. (I'm also ignoring Enkidu, because he's something else entirely)

Onto #3. How can I explain the amount of aether we would need to sustain ourselves for this long? Crystals can only work for so long, right? And wouldn't we eventually be a drain on the planet? That's one of the things the Scions fight against.

What if I told you we needed only one crystal? One crystal that has the power to sustain both you and the planet?


Oh look. It's Hydaelyn. She's a crystal. You know what else is named Hydaelyn? The planet. You have numerous interactions with her throughout your journey.

And you can't forget, if you want to power up a primal even more, give it more crystals~

Pretty much, the only thing about this that hold water would be using the Crystals of Light as a source of aether...except when we're cut off from them, we don't die (heck, we don't even really weaken. And again, Y'shtola doesn't notice any weird aether draining out of us before we get all the crystals unsealed, so...).

Primals also harm Hydaelyn, and she would never make a champion out of one.

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Basically, see the second point again.

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Middy is absorbing aether himself to reconstruct his body; he's not one to share, especially with a lesser being he doesn't want to help in the first place.

But, again, back to the #3 point above.

[Violyre]

Hey look, its this thread again...

Topic has been discussed to death several times over in the lore forum.

Of course, I only read General Discussion. I keep a basic knowledge of lore, but the deeper details scare and confuse me. D:

[MagiusNecros]

I'm of the opinion Hydaelyn is more of a Primal then the WoL is.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I don't know about you guys, But I came to Eorzea from the Northern Contenent at the closing of the 6th Astral Era so I hardly "Apeared out of nowhere".

And as far as I can tell, I'm not sustained by consuming Aether.

Heck before I found my first Crystal of Light I wasn't even very good at manipulating Aether.

So I may be a Warrior of light, but I'm not a primal at the very least. Can't speak for everyone though.

[CyrilLucifer]

The simple answer is no. You are not a primal. At least not yet.

The Scions have the tools for sensing primals, they would know if you were one. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be letting you go dancing around the countryside sucking up Hydaelyn's aether.

[Enkidoh]

This old theory has been done to death already and just doesn't hold water. Besides what others have already stated about Primals being aetheric sponges and leaving obvious footprints in the aether which those sensitive to the aether or with special equipment can easily determine, and the player's character has never had anything to that affect mentioned, other than possessing the Echo (which many others do as well) and the Blessing of Light (again, others possess the Blessing and even have Crystals of Light), another nail in that coffin for this convoluted theory is that constantly the player's character, is specifically referred to as a 'mere mortal'.

Midgardsormr, other Primals, even by the Ascians, the later who are actually the ones responsible for teaching Primal summoning in the first place. Not once is it even considered that we're nothing more than mortals by those who would otherwise know and stand to profit for mentioning that fact.

No, the player's character starts off as a generic adventurer whom is newly awoken to the Echo by Hydaelyn - you're generic because that is actually what the early FF games were like (specifically, the very first one), as it's not your identity that's important, it's your deeds, your actions that ultimately define you, becoming Hyadelyn's champion as the Warrior of Light. There is nothing sinister about this, as it's easily compared again to FFI's story. You wake up on the chocobo carriage/ferry because you're specifically travelling to Eorzea from a 'foreign land' inspired by the stories of the original adventurers who fought for the Eorzean Alliance at the Battle of Carteneau and the first scene was basically a dream (which is often how the Echo is regarded as anyway - you're in a waking dream state when you're viewing the Echo).

Of course those who got the Legacy storyline skipped all that and started in ARR by teleporting to the Althyk Deity Stone in the South Shroud (emulating Derplander's party in the 'New Beginning' trailer), and then just walk off to their starting city (handwaving how those who start in Limsa managed to get there), but even then, 1.0 players started by arriving on the outskirts of their starting city and experienced the same situation of being awoken to the Echo. Again they were new adventurers from another land in Hydaelyn newly starting their careers there, and it's left up to the player to fill in the blanks about their past. As it's not your character's past history that's important, it's what you do in the present and future that sets you apart.

[Defias]

I love Theories like this.
I once thought that the Player was a Primal, specifically one of "The Twelve" or perhaps the unknown 13th/14th.
14 Ascians made me think there might be 14 gods.

However...A Realm Reborn and especially Heavensward killed this by dabbling into how those with "The Echo" are Hydaelyn's chosen/children.
In Heavensward they alluded that the Ascians have the power or a way to tap into "The Echo".
So "The Echo" changes everything and seems to make us some other forms of monstrosity. I say Monstrosity because we are NOT normal, the Eorzeans, Garleans, and Ascians should be terrified of the player at this point.

When *spoiler* died in the Warrior of Light's defense.
Y'stola remarks how that individual was one of Hydaelyn's children/chosen.

That said...I once began to contemplate players being a Primal because we are called: The Warrior of Light

It is used very literal to the NPCs/cast (not just to avoid saying the Player's name during Voiced cut-scenes), and they often go on about the exploits of The Warrior of Light in the past and present.
At the end of HW we basically achieved God level power. As the Ascians remarked.

I think we are a demi-god or some sort of avatar/prophet of Hydaelyn.
Or as a nod to FFX...perhaps we are a dream/manifestation of "The Twelve".
(I wonder if player death is tied to this as we seem to be the only ones who can revive at Aetherytes. All others rejoin the lifestream.)

By canon purposes...we have defeated the "false" incarnations of gods (Primals), restored order to the land, defeated Bahamut, defeated multiple Elder Gods (Primals), defeated an Elder Dragon, and have killed 3 supposed immortals (Ascians).

That said...
I believe we are mortals. But we may have higher powers protecting us.

From an RP perspective...
I am NOT a primal. RP wise my character does not partake in the MSQ at all. He is an everyday Garlean (born and raised there but he has no third eye however so Mom & Dad have some explaining to do), who ended up in Eorzea through complicated means, and has not returned to Eorzea after setting out to assist his family in "The War of Succession". (The War ended during Heavensward so...my character might return...if I feel he survived the war.) he is very flawed character, no where close to the WoL's strength and he is terrified of ever meeting the WoL, let alone any City Leader.

[Whiteroom]

I don't know if this really applies to this, but I was wondering why we can be Raised/Resurrected/Ascended, and Eorzeans like Hauchy and Moen can't? Not that I think we are primals, but we are definitely different. Has this been discussed before? Is it just simple "Look the other way" mechanics?

[Enkidoh]

I don't know if this really applies to this, but I was wondering why we can be Raised/Resurrected/Ascended, and Eorzeans like Hauchy and Moen can't? Not that I think we are primals, but we are definitely different. Has this been discussed before? Is it just simple "Look the other way" mechanics?

Because it's not actually true death that occurs when your character's HP reaches zero, it's literally unconsciousness (thus spell titles like 'Raise' and 'Resurrection' are a misnomer, they're more akin to resuscitation techniques).

Besides, it's not like there hasn't been a case of a story NPC being killed off for real in a FF game before as part of the story, and in-game abilities/spells/items being unable to prevent it. /jk It's one of those times where gameplay mechanics are ignored for the sake of storyline - don't think about it too much.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I don't know if this really applies to this, but I was wondering why we can be Raised/Resurrected/Ascended, and Eorzeans like Hauchy and Moen can't? Not that I think we are primals, but we are definitely different. Has this been discussed before? Is it just simple "Look the other way" mechanics?

Those spells can revive some one who is near death.

Lord H took the kind of hit that kills some one in seconds (his heart was litterally blasted out of his chest by that attack) and that kind of wound is even beyond a Pdjal's ability to heal. He litterally had seconds left and spent them consoling us.

Moenbryda and Iceheart disapated into Aether so they had a Jedi Style "Poof Gone" kind of death ergo nothing to revive to begin with.

If some one had say a large stab wound like The Lord Commander got in 3.1 THEN a rez spell would seal the, otherwise motral, injury and save their life by stopping the bleeding. (Weakness and Brink of Death debuffs factoring in the fact that the pain and bloodloss would still be there.)