The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Judah_Brandt]

My fault. I didn't read his post because it was horribly formatted and it hurt my eyes. If that was the part you were responding to, though, you probably should have quoted that part.

No harm no foul. I just dislike looking like a stooge lol. Your post was well-put, I concur with your feelings on the subject.

[Alahra]

On the subject of requiring AS4 clears to become a Mentor...that would probably end up being very problematic.

For one, it would drastically reduce the number of available mentors (far more than the supposedly stringent requirements that will be in place in 3.2). But more importantly, it would mean that the only available mentors likely catered to a very specific, progression-oriented mindset, as current Savage is far more difficult than anything the game's ever seen. Not all players like that mentality, though, and it wouldn't be very useful to most new players.

[Whiteroom]

On the subject of requiring AS4 clears to become a Mentor...that would probably end up being very problematic.

For one, it would drastically reduce the number of available mentors (far more than the supposedly stringent requirements that will be in place in 3.2). But more importantly, it would mean that the only available mentors likely catered to a very specific, progression-oriented mindset, as current Savage is far more difficult than anything the game's ever seen. Not all players like that mentality, though, and it wouldn't be very useful to most new players.

Also, it would mean they would have to adjust the mentor qualifications with the drop of each new raid. And then wait for people to clear, before there are any new mentors. Where if they simply made it so that you had to clear content, say 20-30 times before you could mentor that specific content, it grows with the game.

[AeraLure]

It probably should be hours played a certain job that grants you the ability to mentor for that particular job, or maybe number of instances when playing a specific job. A lot of hours, but I haven't decided how many.

The current requirements suck because it's easy to get 300 comms and three jobs to 60. You don't even have to know how to use a job to get it to 60. Level should not be a requirement in and of itself. The 1000 instances is an ok-ish requirement on the face of it, but honestly, across the 15 or so jobs you could have gotten your way to that and still not be an expert at a particular job.

As a career healer I *could* level a tank and dps to 60 running fates and really not doing much with them, but why should I have to do that to mentor as a healer? They clearly have not given mentoring enough thought. Too many of their decisions are rather easy to pick apart as being flawed so it makes me wonder just what goes on in meetings sometimes.

[Alahra]

Where if they simply made it so that you had to clear content, say 20-30 times before you could mentor that specific content, it grows with the game.

The only issue with this is that it dramatically reduces the usability of the Mentor Roulette. One of the things the Mentor Roulette prioritizes is groups in need: either folks needing to clear something for the first time or groups that have lost members—if you need to clear a particular piece of content X number of times (where X is greater than 1, anyway—presumably, it won't put you in something you haven't cleared yourself) to be eligible for it, it reduces the number of mentors available that can fill the party slots for those groups. That would, I think, end up running counter to one of the main functions of the system. It's not just about helping people out, it's also about facilitating matchmaking for Duty Finder.

[Whiteroom]

As a career healer I *could* level a tank and dps to 60 running fates and really not doing much with them, but why should I have to do that to mentor as a healer? They clearly have not given mentoring enough thought. Too many of their decisions are rather easy to pick apart as being flawed so it makes me wonder just what goes on in meetings sometimes.

I don't think its meant to be a 100% solution to weeding out bad mentors, however, it is a limiter. You will never solve the issue of bad mentors. Just because someone has cleared a lot as well doesn't mean that they are good teachers either. It's not meant to be perfect, just not totally without some limits.

The only issue with this is that it dramatically reduces the usability of the Mentor Roulette. One of the things the Mentor Roulette prioritizes is groups in need: either folks needing to clear something for the first time or groups that have lost members—if you need to clear a particular piece of content X number of times (where X is greater than 1, anyway—presumably, it won't put you in something you haven't cleared yourself) to be eligible for it, it reduces the number of mentors available that can fill the party slots for those groups. That would, I think, end up running counter to one of the main functions of the system. It's not just about helping people out, it's also about facilitating matchmaking for Duty Finder.

Then the mentor roulette could be more in depth could it not. Not just covering everything ever?

[Kaurie]

It probably should be hours played a certain job that grants you the ability to mentor for that particular job, or maybe number of instances when playing a specific job. A lot of hours, but I haven't decided how many.

I'd prefer a quest that tests your abilities.

"Use the Duty Finder as a tank role to enter a level 60 dungeon and do not lose enmity once 0/10"
"Use Sea, Stone, Sky as any DPS class and complete Midas Fist of the Son (Savage)"
"Enter Solo Duty where you need to keep every NPC alive during waves of attacks" - includes non-healing things such as ensuring debuffs are gone. DPSing can help speed it up, but isn't necessary to complete. Must be able to manage MP

All of this would take a few hours, anyone could do it, and you'd only get people who have all 3 roles at 60 + be semi-competent with each.

[CosmicKirby]

I believe a witty English author once said it best,

It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made a mentor in a silly online game should on no account be allowed to do the job.

I might be paraphrasing a bit though.

[Alahra]

Then the mentor roulette could be more in depth could it not. Not just covering everything ever?

I'm not sure what you mean by the Roulette being more in depth. Could you elaborate?

[Vivi_Bushido]

I'll just be honest. If I was a noob, I would just want to be told the best rotation period straight forward from the get go. Someone who has the mentality it's just a game do whatever you want including be an Ice Mage is not fit to be a mentor. The requirements should be strict to prevent terrible mentors.