What Jobs would you like to see in the next Expansion

[MPNZ]

Ugh, they can make any class into a tank, and it's not that hard to make it into DPS that can heal as it's utility as they have already made one with the arcanist, which is super op in the early levels since it was like an all-rounder. So, basically... any argument as to why a RDM can only be a tank is like as saying that arcanist can only be a tank. Both ideas can possibly be done, so the argument boils down to a disagreement as to which type of class you'd prefer it to be.

Heehee, it makes me wonder if one of the next tanking classes will be a pet class, and this reminds me of how some people wanted the Ninja to be a tank (thanks FFX1...). There was also Dark too...

[Tanathya]

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I, along with many others, already said that there should be multiroles for different jobs. RDM could actually be a healer, a tank, or a damage dealer, change abilities according to the different roles and people would play them however they wanted. All you have to do would be change the role in a little window before you queue into a duty. But SE cannot think outside the box, and/or don't want to. Everything so far has been painfully linear.

On the ninja being a tank topic, it's fair to say that it was also an incredibly powerful DD. I personally leveled it as both, all you needed to do was change gearsets and you were golden. Tanking on NIN was fun, as well as DDing and debuffing with it and it's many tools.

[Kaeoni]

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Yes, they could make anything into a tank.

The entire point I'm making is that if they don't make it a tank it's no longer a Redmage. As I've said, A Red Mage is Equally proficient in White Magic, Black Magic all the while using Rapiers.

I never said it couldn't be a DPS, nor no doubt a fun one. Nor did I say it couldn't be a healer.
I also never said it couldn't be a combination of Black Magic / Physical. But if you decide to throw away it's White magic, like your example states, it's not a Red Mage anymore. No matter what SE decides to tell you. And that's the entire point.

It could don the RedMage Garb. It doesn't matter. It's like taking away ninjutsu from a ninja or something along those lines. If you took Ninjutsu away from Ninja in FFxiv in particular, it's actually just a Thief/Rogue But you're still calling it ninja because... It has the gear that shows it's a ninja? Really? To take away 1-2 of the 3 things a redmage does or make them incredibly nerfed just to make the class fit into a role FFxiv has decided to fit it into doesn't feel right. Since it's the Definition of Jack of all trades. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Mage

I'm not saying they won't fit Red mage into the game.
I'm not saying they can't fit Rdm into the game.
I'm not saying they can't Modify the class to work in a healer or DPS primary role.

What I'm saying is, To keep Red Mages identity intact, I feel Tank is the best shot Devs have. Otherwise I don't believe it's a Rdm anymore.

I don't understand how anyone can't grasp this concept. I'm pretty sure I'm making this crystal clear.

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[Kaeoni]

On the ninja being a tank topic, it's fair to say that it was also an incredibly powerful DD. I personally leveled it as both, all you needed to do was change gearsets and you were golden. Tanking on NIN was fun, as well as DDing and debuffing with it and it's many tools.

Ninja was built to be a Tank. Square-Enix just didn't understand how powerful Utsusemi actually was in the hands of unlimited creativity and the ability to sub Warrior for Provoke, and In some cases Dark Knight for Threat/Stun. They also had incredible Debuffs. something No other Tank could do. They had to rely on other classes to debuff the enemy.

Ninjas original purpose was probably Debuffing DD, and Utsusemi was suppose to be a contingency plan incase they pulled threat. And you're correct, Ninja was an incredible DD with Dual Wield on it's side. We probably speak from experience. I myself was a FFxi Nin Tank. Later on i got Kannagi to solidify my role as top Tank at the time. I then made an Apocalypse tanking Dark knight because I could, then for funzies a Guttler Beastmaster because screw it, Guttler talks to you in the Lore like a bloodthirsty booooooooooooooss.

[Tanathya]

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The thing about all this is that FFXIV is so restricted in *every single aspect*.

[MagiusNecros]

Make Red Mage available to don all gear so I can roll need on everything. I'd totally main the class only for that no matter how shitty and not a red mage it is.

[Kaeoni]

FFXIV is so restricted.

Precisely.

[Jhett_Magnum]

Kaeoni is right on the money. What also doesn't make sense is why people want a RDM over a "Sage", which is far stronger. Do people really want Blizzard 2 and Fire 2?
Nonetheless Red Mage WAS teased during the rising, so clearly they have a plan for it.

[Tanathya]

Kaeoni is right on the money. What also doesn't make sense is why people want a RDM over a "Sage", which is far stronger. Do people really want Blizzard 2 and Fire 2?
Nonetheless Red Mage WAS teased during the rising, so clearly they have a plan for it.

They've had to plan it, it's one of the most iconic jobs in the franchise. What I don't know is why it's not out yet.

[Shurrikhan]

Kaeoni is right on the money. What also doesn't make sense is why people want a RDM over a "Sage", which is far stronger. Do people really want Blizzard 2 and Fire 2?
Nonetheless Red Mage WAS teased during the rising, so clearly they have a plan for it.

Given inevitable balancing, how will a Sage ever be "stronger" than a RDM, let alone, say, a BLM? Effective synergy of numerous tools can produce as high of output as a nuke-ish class, if that's what you mean by strength. I doubt that any black or white magic spells not already cross-classable but the effects of which might be given to RDM would make that transition without any changes to better fit the RDM's toolkit, dynamics, and style. Similarly, I doubt just because a Sage is known to have full access to both black and white magic means that they'll actually see a single job spell from BLM or WHMs. Similarly, whereas Sage's balanced this capacity by being incredibly squishy in single player installments, XIV has since phased such limitations out of any and all jobs (DRG's previously low magic defense returned to the standard amount, and no casters with lower defense or magic defense than another), RDM has simply been as hardy as the average melee (Monks, Ninjas, Machinists, and Bards, in our case), a much easier fit.

Putting "strength" aside though, I'd wager the main attraction is the gameplay style one might assume a well-realized RDM design would have--not only able to use multiple schools of magic, but a master of synergy, equipped with melee and casters ranged abilities, physical and magical damage, pure dps, support buffs, and enfeeblements. Why try to take a simple slightly restyled medium of the White and Black Mage when you could play that medium in an entirely new perspective that has something to attract almost every player type.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see Sage eventually; I just don't remotely see why it would be more attractive a design choice for upcoming jobs than RDM.