POLL: Best healer for 4 mans?

[DarkmoonVael]

I dunno why people keep writing off AST. Their potencies are lower than SCH and WHM certainly, and in most speedrun situations (medium mob group, tank busts all cooldowns and takes fairly low damage) I would say WHM would be best. However, people are forgetting speedrun situations like Brayflox HM: high mob density, tank busts all cooldowns and STILL takes a ton of damage. In these cases I would much rather have an AST, because in a situation where the healer is spamming heals to save the tank, only AST and SCH can provide extra DPS to the group via buffs, but SCH will likely need Whispering Dawn for the healing throughput. Cards also aren't heavy on RNG, because in a high aoe situation, 4 of the 6 can improve DPS. (all but Bole and Ewer)

tl;dr normally WHM, in high-density situations AST.

So i am an AST main currently, and i can kind of see a very fatal flaw in your analogy. Even high mob pulls like that can be dpsed by a healer. If you are comparing synched, the WHM wins over AST hands down since AST has no aoe at that level and WHM uses the stun from holy to do dps whilst no healing is required. Unsynched, WHM wins also, as it has both Aero III and Assize, which, unlike AST only aoe, does not get diminishing returns after a set amount of mobs hit. A WHM using Aero III>Assize>Presence of Mind>Holy will do more damage than AST Gravity spam. Aero III only needs 2 ticks + initial damage to be doing more dps than the mobs getting hit by the 50% gravity potency from mob density.

Assize is just OP, especially when unsynched.

At level 50, the only thing an AST can contribute is cards in pulls like that. It lacks the ability both SCH and WHM have of dealing with the healing and dps side, due to lack of aoe. AST at lvl 50 in dungeons is fairly misrable to play, unless all you want to do is heal duirng pulss, use cards during pulls, and then do damage to bosses.

[Cleftobismal]

I do have to admit, free or not free. I feel like Lily (The fairy) is either being overrated or Regen is being underrated. Because the traits do not effect Lily's healing, i glimpse at other whms with similar Ilvl, and most of the time their regen tic is only 200-300 less than what she's healing. Especially if the whm stacked up on spell speed. To be honest even on trash mobs, whm can handle placing out one regen or even with medica 2 if needed and just dps. [They will still be faster than a sch anyhow in speed runs] 21 seconds is plenty to dish out holy's that also prevent mob action.


Let's be real here. It's fine that a whm can heal and shell out explosive dps. They'v been like that thruoghout the whole final fantasy series they've appeared in. Including the same consequence that they either use up all their mana for one holy or use up a lot very quickly.

Just to further prove my point /o/


White "MAGE"
Red "MAGE"
Black "MAGE"
Blue "MAGE"


I think yall get it. /o/

SCH's on the other hand, have a very small history of doing moderate damage. (Not too special but not something to ignore either) However high in utility: Usually receiving information about targets or powerful debilitation spell sets.

With the exception in this game of course that they are fairly strong.



TLDR;

WHM in heavenward can practically achieve the same thing a sch can. [Keeping everybody alive while dpsing] And in some situations better.

[DarkmoonVael]

TLDR;

WHM in heavenward can practically achieve the same thing a sch can. [Keeping everybody alive while dpsing] And in some situations better.

WHM in 2.x was better than SCH for dungeons where mass pulls and healer dps was expected. Holy did not have diminishing returns on mobs past the second it hit, and the stun on holy is one of the biggest factors in why they can do so many in a row without having to drop clerics and heal. SCH in 2.x had a hard cap on bane, however no diminishing returns on dots that were baned onto mobs passed the second.

WHM in heavensward is still superior to SCH in whats being talked about in this thread. For speed runs, the holy stun, assize in clerics and Aero III are still better than baned dots from SCH. WHM has had its aoe arsenal added to, SCH has not.

[Dyvid]

Honestly the answer is whatever job you're comfortable with. Sometime you get a tank that's lets you dps and speed up the speed run and sometimes you get a tank who thinks pulling the entire floor is the fastest route and you spend all your time and mana just trying to keep him alive.

[AniCelestine]

Honestly the answer is whatever job you're comfortable with. Sometime you get a tank that's lets you dps and speed up the speed run and sometimes you get a tank who thinks pulling the entire floor is the fastest route and you spend all your time and mana just trying to keep him alive.

It can be the fastest way to do it, if you have the right party for it. But generally if you'd be as skilled and geared on all of the healers, it'd be whm cause of the way say, with the stun on every mob tank can go off tankstance. Meaning warrior could spam few overpowers and get few CD's ready before WHM commences Holy spam -> no dmg to tank + HoT's getting him up to/close to full HP, during that warrior goes deliverance + berserk + bloodbath + have gotten initial 5 stacks -> more over power spam + 2x decimiates + HoTs running on warrior -> even more dps time for whm. Add in some Equilibrium and Second Wind during berserk.

But that's assuming there's great communication between the whm and the warrior and both knows exactly what they're doing themselves and what their partner is doing.
Try to do the above with a AST? well, no stun -> less dps time for healer cause more healing required.

Try doing that with sch? There's not much anything but the regular DoTs they can do, outside of lol 50 potency Blizz2 and hope fairy + (assuming same tank) self heals keeps the tank alive.



But I feel like the speedrunning of dungeons was a thing only back in 2.0 with WP. Haven't seen anymore of hype videos tossed around 'bout dungeon speedruns after that. Maybe with Brayflox HM but that's 'bout it really, so not like it really matters, but for those that want to do things fast, theorically I believe whm + war tank combo + mnk/smn party would be the combo to go with.

[LegoTechnic]

But I feel like the speedrunning of dungeons was a thing only back in 2.0 with WP. Haven't seen anymore of hype videos tossed around 'bout dungeon speedruns after that. Maybe with Brayflox HM but that's 'bout it really, so not like it really matters, but for those that want to do things fast, theorically I believe whm + war tank combo + mnk/smn party would be the combo to go with.

That's because speed running dungeons is now the standard. If you're single-pulling mob sets in Arboretum when you don't have to you're going to potentially see people drop. There are also an awful lot of "gate-stops" in newer dungeons that temporarily halt you which makes it less interesting than something like Flox-hard used to be.

Also why on Earth would you suggest a MNK over a BLM for a speed run?

[AniCelestine]

Also why on Earth would you suggest a MNK over a BLM for a speed run?

Cause I have yet to see any blm's having better parse over the whole dungeon* than on mnk + that way you get a melee lb for boss/bosses depending which would be better.

*All trash pulls + downtimes between pulls + bosses in same parse

[LegoTechnic]

Cause I have yet to see any blm's having better parse over the whole dungeon* than on mnk + that way you get a melee lb for boss/bosses depending which would be better.

*All trash pulls + downtimes between pulls + bosses in same parse

In a speed run you are better served using caster limit break on large pulls of trash adds. This is always the case unless the last few trash mobs are gated.

[zuzu-bq]

Honestly the answer is whatever job you're comfortable with.

Shhh. People are trying hard on "casual" content here. Don't try to inject sanity.

[Raminax]

But finding new and exciting ways to grind peasants into the dirt is fun!

...well, it is for me at least.