Tank Gear's Value for the Future.

[Aaliyahrose]

PS: Care to elaborate on how you are applying tradgedy of the commons to this situation?

As it stands, housing is in fair abundance depending on what server you are on. If housing were made free, everyone would want a house of their own. They would keep a lock and key on all of the Mansion level houses. People who do not play as often would own 5 different houses in their area and players searching for a house for their FC will have no way of contacting them IRL. Many people have more than 1 mansion in the game, and yet, in my opinion, they don't deserve it. We also can't forget server load on the houses that have been taken. Once someone gets rid of the house they owned, there will be 500 other players waiting at their front door to take it. Housing should be earned by a group of people willing to save up for one and call it their own. It is also a mark that you leave on the server as a Free Company that could be well known.

[Dualgunner]

This entire list scares me...Housing should be free? Ever heard of the Tragedy of the Commons?
Adding Parsers will totally shun players who are trying to learn their class.
Remove Mindless Grind? You mean removing one of the key parts of what defines an MMO?
Melee losing positionals? Ya sure! lets just mash buttons and make all DPS boring as all get out.
Healer damage should NEVER be nerfed. If that were the case, They we would never ever see a lvl 60 WHM/SCH/AST because they can't dps their own solo quest content.

How would adding a parser shun a player who is trying to learn their class? Having a parser would provide players with hard numbers so they could know how well they were or were not doing with their class, which means you know when you've started improving.

Removing anything mindless sounds good to me, whether or not its part of traditional MMO structure.

I agree healers should keep their DPS abilities and potential.

I don't necessarily care about housing as I am one of the haves atm, my fc has a mansion in Mist. Great place.

Positionals are fun but if you were to ask me what I loved about Dragoon or playing melee I wouldn't put positionals anywhere on my top list of reasons. In fact, they can be annoying in most situations, and positionals don't detract from mindless buttonmashing.

[Lego3400]

How would adding a parser shun a player who is trying to learn their class? Having a parser would provide players with hard numbers so they could know how well they were or were not doing with their class, which means you know when you've started improving.

Once parsers are allowed in game players don't CARE about the reason for low DPS, even if the player is trying to improve. It becomes "Have this arbitrary requirement before joining or get lost" The way things are now players aren't allowd to do that, which is good.

[Dualgunner]

Once parsers are allowed in game players don't CARE about the reason for low DPS, even if the player is trying to improve. It becomes "Have this arbitrary requirement before joining or get lost" The way things are now players aren't allowd to do that, which is good.

Just having an ingame parser does not allow that behavior, however, and the people who are going to act like that already do in most cases. It seems wrong to deny a great tool for improvement to the masses just because of the fear a few people who are already bullies will be bullies with it.

[Kuwagami]

If these were the numbers for tanks, I GUARANTEE you that none of the tanks will be able to hold hate even with all of the Unleashes and Flashes and Overpowers and Steel Cyclones. We would be useless.

Threat multipliers. How do you think tanks even hold hate right now with their dps being inferior to dps jobs ? Holding hate is a non issue. Nerf Tank damage by 90%, increase their hate generation tenfold, and here you go, you have the exact same hate generation with only 10% their current damage.

Adding Parsers will totally shun players who are trying to learn their class.

Oh yeah sure. Because people learning their class can't speak at all to tell it, or even ask for advice. God forbid people could be social in a MMO.

Healer damage should NEVER be nerfed. If that were the case, They we would never ever see a lvl 60 WHM/SCH/AST because they can't dps their own solo quest content.

douple dipping much ? What happened to be in a MMO ? you know, playing with others ? FFxiv went down the "all solo" non-sensical road because it fits the current market, but you could perfectly force people to group to do content. Make damage enough to wreck non-tank jobs, and here you go, forced to group tanks and healers. Low damage for tanks ensure dps get their place in a group too. Oh, isn't that how a trinity MMO is supposed to work ? damn.

Once parsers are allowed in game players don't CARE about the reason for low DPS, even if the player is trying to improve. It becomes "Have this arbitrary requirement before joining or get lost" The way things are now players aren't allowd to do that, which is good.

People are already using parser numbers to boot people not fitting their taste, for example in Alexander normal farm for relic. Heck, they even announce it in chat, and people ask for those numbers, for personnal improvement among other reasons.
Every serious player on a PC has or has had a parser. Or know someone using one. PS3/4 just can't use them, but I regularly see people searching for someone to parse them because of that.

In short, allowing parsers now would change nothing to the way the game works except 2 things :
=> PS3/4 would have their own official parser available, so they wouldn't have to rely on PC players to know how they improved
=> we would finally be able to call out really bad players without getting banned because they can't stand the fact that they aren't well performing and report you for harassment no matter how nicely you tried to tell them.

[Aaliyahrose]

douple dipping much ? What happened to be in a MMO ? you know, playing with others ? FFxiv went down the "all solo" non-sensical road because it fits the current market, but you could perfectly force people to group to do content. Make damage enough to wreck non-tank jobs, and here you go, forced to group tanks and healers. Low damage for tanks ensure dps get their place in a group too. Oh, isn't that how a trinity MMO is supposed to work ? damn.

I don't appreciate the condescending tone. I don't have anything against parsers when they are used constructively.

I don't know what you mean by people not being social. People share numbers all the time, but when parsing is used negatively, it's a problem.

Each job in FFXIV is all about versatility in their role. This is why it takes months to create a new class. I still stand by the fact that nerfing healer dps is a bad idea. It removes versatility to a party composition including tanks.

[Kaurie]

I don't appreciate the condescending tone

Eh the post he was responded to was rather condescending in tone (toward me).

As it stands, housing is in fair abundance depending on what server you are on. If housing were made free, everyone would want a house of their own. They would keep a lock and key on all of the Mansion level houses. People who do not play as often would own 5 different houses in their area and players searching for a house for their FC will have no way of contacting them IRL. Many people have more than 1 mansion in the game, and yet, in my opinion, they don't deserve it. We also can't forget server load on the houses that have been taken. Once someone gets rid of the house they owned, there will be 500 other players waiting at their front door to take it. Housing should be earned by a group of people willing to save up for one and call it their own. It is also a mark that you leave on the server as a Free Company that could be well known.

I think you misunderstood my housing request. I want it like Wildstar where everyone is given 1 housing plot. You don't buy them, you don't sell them, you don't own more than one, there are no limited number of plots available. Each character gets 1 period.

[Kuwagami]

I don't appreciate the condescending tone.

Sorry about that. Stress building up irl got the better out of me.

I don't know what you mean by people not being social. People share numbers all the time, but when parsing is used negatively, it's a problem.

It's a fact that people aren't really being social if they don't need to. Especially on FFxiv or other modern days MMO, because there isn't any reason to be social any more than having a fixed group of 8 people for a single raid. But that's an other problem.
Thing is, most MMO before were forcing you to group early on to even survive the open world ("solo" content)
FFxiv ? not so much.

There is a lot more going behind it than just sharing numbers.

As for healer dps, I personnally like it as long as it is not imposed as a clear condition (Alexander Gordias Savage) in content.

[stanrir]

eh idc if tanks do start hitting lower numbers, I'm really tired of noob tanks building strength then wondering why they get one shot in end game content

[Fevelle]

eh idc if tanks do start hitting lower numbers, I'm really tired of noob tanks building strength then wondering why they get one shot in end game content

And then they begin screaming "NO HEALZZ" on party chat. Well boy, I can't heal something that hits you harder than your HP pool.