Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT

[Tsilyi]

It's about as useful as Machinist's Dismantle or Rend Mind, except even less useful cause the machinist doesn't sacrifice DPS to use it.

all other things aside... mitigation-wise, let's not pretend that 10% damage down for 20 seconds is roughly equal to 10 seconds of A CHOICE BETWEEN 5% physical or magical damage reduction for 10 seconds. that's just silly. there have been times when you've said ok things. this is not one of them.

[bounddreamer]

I use my BB combo and I rarely rip hate off my MT. Even if I do it's usually an add that doesn't matter, like in A2S.

You're giving an unqualified "don't ever do this" advice and it's not that simple.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

If they are ripping aggro off you in Tank stance, guess who "should" be the new MT and guess who should be replaced?

[Syzygian]

If they are ripping aggro off you in Tank stance, guess who "should" be the new MT and guess who should be replaced?

Goddamn, just stop.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Going to assume that left side gear difference isn't an issue.

My WAR co-tank runs the higher potency combo, and once told me that there were a few times he "backed off slightly" because the aggro bar was getting really close. That day was the last day he ever ramped down. I asked him how do I know how to stance dance optimally if you aren't playing at your absolute fullest? I told him that if he rips hate off me it is MY FAULT, not his. (with exception to the triple crit fell cleave - which is nobodies fault).

Since then I have lost hate as a PLD once to a double crit fell cleave, a handful (less than 5) of times under normal circumstance, or if I derp and pull in SwO and stay there.

I have lost hate as a DRK only on the dreaded, but loved triple crit fell cleave.

Almost without exception, any time I lose hate, it has to do with me pushing my boundries and my groups boundries on stance dancing.

If you need to tell a class to play sub optimally, then you aren't doing everything you need to be doing and you need to look inward to what you can do better. (Yes, even with PLD's issues right now)

[BlackenedTiamat]

If the MT cant keep aggro from a WAR. either theyre doing something wrong, or theyre severely undergeared compared to them.

with THAT said, a War can easily take a little bit of damage, including a tank buster if they strip hate for a second. If they strip, and maintain hate, Then its definitely not Alex Savage or Thordan theyre doing it in lol. (if so, time to replace the MT.) Any other content can easily be handled by a tank in their dps stance. And any decent tank will know to put on Defiance if they see that the other tank just cant keep hate.

[Instrumentality]

If you need to tell a class to play sub optimally, then you aren't doing everything you need to be doing and you need to look inward to what you can do better. (Yes, even with PLD's issues right now)

You are doing less damage than you otherwise could while keeping hate against your warrior offtank and he is harming your raids' dps output. The tradeoff to do an enmity combo on the MT is greater than the loss of your warrior doing SE/SE. Hope this helps.

For every extra enmity combo you have to do because of an offtank, you lose >80 potency. For every SE/SE combo you have to do as a WAR you lose 20 potency. It's really not hard to figure out which is a bigger raid dps loss.

[Iagainsti]

the 20 potency is irrelevant, when you stack enough crit, I never use BB combo once I have aggro set, and never as an OT. Just SE and the odd SP for damage bursts. The thought of dropping SE or Maim bc of mechanics would be a bigger detriment to your overall dps than that extra 20 potency, again irrelevant when your SE hits are 2.9-3k crits.

[bounddreamer]

If you need to tell a class to play sub optimally, then you aren't doing everything you need to be doing and you need to look inward to what you can do better. (Yes, even with PLD's issues right now)

This guy gets it.

When I got my 210 weapon I mentioned on raid night I might have to go easy. My MT responded, "you better not."

[Iagainsti]

Goddamn, just stop.

+1, I swear to the Twelve he gets his kicks being wrong or misinformed constantly across the forums.

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