Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Jynx]

I'm not saying to play with them. Vote kick them for poor performance.

But the developers themselves need to give players more tools to encourage party play. But people need to understand the limitations of the system in place and expect that going into duty finder.

[ExiaQuanta]

What do you mean different main stat? Everyone keeps telling me to slot MND cuz it's my main, but INT is the appropriate stat to max the damage of my Earthen Air Mage

However, on particularly challenging end-game content (such as Dusk Vigil), I'll even take out some INT for VIT. I'm working on my progression at The Aery, but my team keeps letting me down.

Totally dude, a PLD should definetly put on more MND or PIE gear for more stronger cures. Maybe then, the PLD can keep you alive in the Aery. On top of that, Your Earthen Air Mage should also put on some str dmg to boost your physical auto attack. EVEN MORE DPS@!!!!!

[Kaurie]

Totally dude, a PLD should definetly put on more MND or PIE gear for more stronger cures. Maybe then, the PLD can keep you alive in the Aery. On top of that, Your Earthen Air Mage should also put on some str dmg to boost your physical auto attack. EVEN MORE DPS@!!!!!

Thank you for the tips!

[AnaviAnael]

I have to wonder... doesn't the game allow you to meet the ilevel requirements while wearing the disciple of hand gear?

Good grief, who else remembers when people would do this in LotA? Full crafting/gathering accessories, or using the wrong main stat and then spirit bind.

Totally dude, a PLD should definetly put on more MND or PIE gear for more stronger cures. Maybe then, the PLD can keep you alive in the Aery. On top of that, Your Earthen Air Mage should also put on some str dmg to boost your physical auto attack. EVEN MORE DPS@!!!!!

I call BS. PLDs should use more DEX for better parry. (Yeah, that was actually said once.)

But the developers themselves need to give players more tools to encourage party play. But people need to understand the limitations of the system in place and expect that going into duty finder.

I agree to an extent with what you're saying. There needs to be more incentive to play well and do your share. As it stands if one person plays like crap then "oh well, that's DF."

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Would not surprise me if people called you an elitist for this attitude lol.

Hah, you think so? I'm just doing exactly what people are telling me to do cause clearly they know better than I!

[TheUltimateSeph]

I just got out of a level 60 roulette in Neverreap with myself (MNK), BRD, DRK, WHM.

The BRD was pulling around 400-450 dps overall, and frankly their numbers on boss fights were just embarrassing. They were around ilvl 175-180 I would estimate, a few lower ilvl bits but mostly law gear and above. The DRK was doing similar, or even slightly more damage but he's there to tank so fair enough, and WHM was one of the breed who would rather stand there doing nothing, waiting for someone's HP to drop, instead of tossing out a few DPS spells (imo, incredibly lazy, but that's another debate entirely).

I was carrying that run. It took painfully long, far longer than I, and I'm sure they, would have liked. I'm not expecting them to do as much DPS as me with the gear difference, I'm full i210, but good lord, please at least perform to a reasonable standard, i.e. using your abilities (turn on Wanderer's Minuet for goodness sake), using AOE where appropriate, please do more than just auto attack and press whatever buttons your lazy fingers hover over. Do some form of rotation.

More than anything else, I think it's just selfish to deliberately perform under your potential. I don't think anybody expects Alex Savage quality play when they queue in Duty Finder, but I think it's more than reasonable to expect your fellow DPS (and tank, and healer) to at least make an effort.

It disappoints me that it seems a lot of people don't feel the same way.

You know I have to wonder, since parsers are against the Terms of Service, being third party software and all, and the only way you can really know how much dps you are doing is with a parser (please don't try to tell me you actually go add up all the damage and work out the times manually from your log after dungeons, no one is stupid enough to believe that) isn't mentioning numbers and such about how much dps you are doing or someone else is doing pretty much admitting you broke the ToS? I honestly don't see how this is acceptable. I understand they have sort of a Don't Ask Don't Tell attitude towards parsers right now but some of you guys seem to blatantly advertise your use of them.

[Naliee]

More than anything else, I think it's just selfish to deliberately perform under your potential. I don't think anybody expects Alex Savage quality play when they queue in Duty Finder, but I think it's more than reasonable to expect your fellow DPS (and tank, and healer) to at least make an effort.

It disappoints me that it seems a lot of people don't feel the same way.

It shouldn't be alot to ask for people to focus on the run they're doing. Let's say I'm running EX and we can expect that to last like 15-20mins, if everyone focus and actually do their job.

Yes real life stuff happens and then you have to attend to that over a game but it makes me sad when people can't focus for that long to do their very best.

[Wadey]

You know I have to wonder, since parsers are against the Terms of Service, being third party software and all, and the only way you can really know how much dps you are doing is with a parser (please don't try to tell me you actually go add up all the damage and work out the times manually from your log after dungeons, no one is stupid enough to believe that) isn't mentioning numbers and such about how much dps you are doing or someone else is doing pretty much admitting you broke the ToS? I honestly don't see how this is acceptable. I understand they have sort of a Don't Ask Don't Tell attitude towards parsers right now but some of you guys seem to blatantly advertise your use of them.

Even if I wasn't using a parser, it was flat out obvious how pitiful their damage was.

I never once mentioned to anyone in the group I was parsing; I use the parser for my own benefit, it pushes me to do better DPS myself, improve my rotation and just be an all around better player. The fact I can see just how downright lazy people are being is a side effect. I wouldn't ever call anyone out in a dungeon. I would never name and shame someone on the forums.

Ergo; I'm fully aware using parsers is wrong in the eyes of SE. I don't agree with their policy having played several other MMOs that allow parser use freely. That doesn't excuse laziness and downright selfish play in dungeons.

[Whiteroom]

You know I have to wonder, since parsers are against the Terms of Service, being third party software and all, and the only way you can really know how much dps you are doing is with a parser (please don't try to tell me you actually go add up all the damage and work out the times manually from your log after dungeons, no one is stupid enough to believe that) isn't mentioning numbers and such about how much dps you are doing or someone else is doing pretty much admitting you broke the ToS? I honestly don't see how this is acceptable. I understand they have sort of a Don't Ask Don't Tell attitude towards parsers right now but some of you guys seem to blatantly advertise your use of them.

As long as you aren't being a dingleberry in game, they don't seem to mind. Also advertising the sites here can get you in trouble. The won't act especially since he had not come right out and said he used one. If you listen to Yoshi's response about them, its fairly clear he sees their uses and even uses them. It's just that they can't back up third party programs. Nice little bit of fear mongering there though.


Tbh, a parser is one of the few things that will help the game advance mechanics and skill wise right now. If they keep down the current road, its just going to be more of the same nerf after nerf, and duties at level 50 will have the same difficulty level as level 70 or even 80 duties. This striking dummy thing seems to be less than a half measure, it would be nice if it at the very least showed the user their own dps, so they can see by a metric the difference.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

The cardinal rule of the internet is that the people that whine the loudest are the ones that need the most improvements.