Skills you never use

[Darkstride]

Hide.

It should have some sort of combat use, even if it just sheds personal emnity rather than making you undetectable.

Even if it was able to make you invisible and capable of Trick Attack or Sneak Attack, you aren't very mobile so it would hardly be overpowered. You would have to position yourself first, Hide and immediately execute SA/TA. If the mob moves or turns, you're pretty much out of luck unless you want to creep your way back into position and let your DPS plummet. I would like to see Hide useable in combat, even with a lengthy cooldown if it's used in battle.

[UBERHAXED]

It should have some sort of combat use, even if it just sheds personal emnity rather than making you undetectable.

Even if it was able to make you invisible and capable of Trick Attack or Sneak Attack, you aren't very mobile so it would hardly be overpowered. You would have to position yourself first, Hide and immediately execute SA/TA. If the mob moves or turns, you're pretty much out of luck unless you want to creep your way back into position and let your DPS plummet. I would like to see Hide useable in combat, even with a lengthy cooldown if it's used in battle.

We have other skills (one ninjustu and a couple of HW skills) that do what you want. It's okay to have skills that are great for soloing and others that are not (and vice versa) . What use is shadewalker while you are soloing?

[Nalien]

It should have some sort of combat use, even if it just sheds personal emnity rather than making you undetectable.

Kinda what I figured it should do in combat, though with Shadewalker that now seems somewhat redundant.

I don't think they can allow us to use it for Sneak/Trick Attack in combat though, Suiton has zero purpose then. What would be nice is if they redesigned the whole Hidden mechanic to perhaps be stack based, sort of like Monks Forbidden Chakra I guess... Outside combat you can mash Hide to build 5 stacks to make yourself Hidden. In combat, skills like Shadewalker, Smokebomb, Shukuchi, Hide, and Suiton can all provide stacks to make you Hidden for Sneak/Trick Attack.

Although OT: Sneak Attack. Doesn't even get any use out of me solo, I still used Trick Attack, either with Stun or just timing it with enemies doing various attacks to allow me to get behind them without them turning... They really should just remove Trick Attack at this point, make Sneak Attack work from the rear, and give us an "Enhances Sneak Attack" trait to effectively make it Trick Attack. Frees up a skill option for... IDK... Ninja is a pretty great Job, despite me disdain for Hide...

[Alahra]

Hide.

I pretty much forgot we even had this. Good answer.

[Nalien]

I pretty much forgot we even had this. Good answer.

It's a shame too, I got some fun uses out of it in low level content... Beyond 50 though, every single enemy can see right through it, it's essentially only useful in PvP now.

Granted, the uses I got out of in in dungeons like Darkhold are arguably bad... Not killing mobs and instead sneaking off to open chests, for example. Though sneaking all the way to the final room (of the first half) to get the eye in there, and opening the door while hidden to push him into the boss room was quite good... The movement speed penalty really gets in the way of both being used effectively... Why I'd rather have Hide show me (and reduce) enemies line of sight/etc. so I can just sneak past at my own pace, rather than being an invisible snail...

Though that completely kills its PvP application... Could always just replace Malmsight with Hide though... Christ yes, do that actually... Make Malmsight the PvE skill that lets us see enemies LoS and make Hide the PvP skill that lets us go invisible...

There's a skill I absolutely have never used though; Malmsight. What a complete and utterly worthless skill...

[Darkstride]

We have other skills (one ninjustu and a couple of HW skills) that do what you want. It's okay to have skills that are great for soloing and others that are not (and vice versa) . What use is shadewalker while you are soloing?

I use Shadewalker on my chocobo while soloing lol. It doesnt really need a solo purpose, though, because it can be very useful in groups. Hide isn't useful in either. And I do realize that we already have skills that do what I suggested, however Hide doesn't really have many applications at all. I was just brainstorming ways that it might have an actual use for more than the Rogue quests.

Kinda what I figured it should do in combat, though with Shadewalker that now seems somewhat redundant.

I don't think they can allow us to use it for Sneak/Trick Attack in combat though, Suiton has zero purpose then. What would be nice is if they redesigned the whole Hidden mechanic to perhaps be stack based, sort of like Monks Forbidden Chakra I guess... Outside combat you can mash Hide to build 5 stacks to make yourself Hidden. In combat, skills like Shadewalker, Smokebomb, Shukuchi, Hide, and Suiton can all provide stacks to make you Hidden for Sneak/Trick Attack.

Although OT: Sneak Attack. Doesn't even get any use out of me solo, I still used Trick Attack, either with Stun or just timing it with enemies doing various attacks to allow me to get behind them without them turning... They really should just remove Trick Attack at this point, make Sneak Attack work from the rear, and give us an "Enhances Sneak Attack" trait to effectively make it Trick Attack. Frees up a skill option for... IDK... Ninja is a pretty great Job, despite me disdain for Hide...

That's why I suggested giving Hide a long cooldown if used in combat, longer than Trick Attack/Sneak Attack. And, you would still have the slow movement under Hide, so it wouldn't always be practical, but atleast it could be used. You would still need Suiton for when Hide is on cooldown, just not every time you use TA. Instead, you would alternate the 2.

Again, just brainstorming and not trying to go off topic lol.

[Sirus222]

As a Nin, probably Hyoton. I can't even remember the last time I use this skill except by accident if I input huton too quick.

[Darkstride]

As a Nin, probably Hyoton. I can't even remember the last time I use this skill except by accident if I input huton too quick.

Also true, which is a shame cause I like the animation.

[Alahra]

As a Nin, probably Hyoton. I can't even remember the last time I use this skill except by accident if I input huton too quick.

Oh, that's another good one. I've only ever done it by accident as well. There was like, one time I was in a Frontlines match and wanted to use it, but I couldn't remember the Mudra combination in the heat of the moment because I never developed muscle memory for it. >.>

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

As a PLD? I generally use all of my skills. As a DRG? I often don't bother using piercing talon - or feint for that matter.

Piercing Talon has some limited use, i mean, when there is no way to fast reach the target, since for DRG TP isn`t a issue, i rather be on the move doing something than nothing. But again, only in PvP becomes valuable.