If tank damage is now based on VIT, why do healers still have Cleric Stance?

[Pence]

I am glad, cause paladins who used nothing but strength were no good, they sit there and gloat about damage and how fast the fight goes but end up dying.
You'll get a few that will say not true but it is 100% of the time.

then blame the healer, not the healers fault that paladins have low HP and get beat down badly.

My cousin did all vit tank and sits on 20k hp and if the party dies sometimes he survives even to defeat the boss by himself if he gets lucky.

No strength paladin can do that and so I am glad they are removing the strength.

You're right. STR tanks are so bad. They do not help as much as VIT tanks.

OR your cousin is just a bad if he can't handle being a STR tank.

[Zeonx]

You're right. STR tanks are so bad. They do not help as much as VIT tanks.

OR your cousin is just a bad if he can't handle being a STR tank.

Na he doesn't care about dpsing when hes got a dragoon a tank is a tank also hes been a tank in FFXI also.

He can hold his own.

[Pence]

Na he doesn't care about dpsing when hes got a dragoon a tank is a tank also hes been a tank in FFXI also.

He can hold his own.

No. He can't his own. He coasts by and not playing the job to his full potential. He's a leech. Simple as. The trinity is 'less trinity' than you and he believe. It's more Tank/DPS - DPS - Heal/DPS. You're given the tools, opportunity and gear to accomplish your main role and DPS with no problem. With this update I believe you'll see more an emphasis on tank DPS - as SE has now provided a simple and straight forward gearing towards it and will be including it in their calculations / DPS checks.

[Zeonx]

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He can probably tank you under the table, he heals himself so their goes your leech theory.

While Strength tanks are more closer to dying which the healer is healing him alone while others are dying by the time they reach others the tank is dead.
While healer can focus on others while a vit tank can take some punishment.

He can probably tank you under the table.
I have seen him survive without healers and kill bosses by himself by using absorbing mp moves and healing himself.

If you ask me a strength tank is more of a leech.

If he is closer to dying all the time how is a healer going to take and heal everyone else before that tank dies?
I hear it all the time how they blame healer that they should be good enough you need to watch their mp then cause it goes quick.

The AOE healing? Cause if so then strength tank is more of a leech, my cousin actually had to go and grab his tank a few times because strength tanks bounce cause they die too much and cannot handle the fact that they are supposed to be vit or cut in half not full strength.

Sounds to me you are just a bit upset about them taking strength away, also about DPS it doesn't matter you all think it does because you wanna get the run done as fast as you can but its not moving cause you're dying.

Especially when we wanna rush the bees in the new dungeon and try to break the wall how fast strength tanks die is laughable.

while a vit tank can get through the run smoothly and grab a huge pile of monsters while a strength tank cannot and you talk about rushing a dungeon.

[RickXRolled]

He can probably tank you under the table, he heals himself so their goes your leech theory.

While Strength tanks are more closer to dying which the healer is healing him alone while others are dying by the time they reach others the tank is dead.

While healer can focus on others while a vit tank can take some punishment.

You sound very ignorant.

[Zeonx]

You sound very ignorant.

No its just speaking the truth, so far from my experience on the game, vit tanks are the best, I ain't saying my cousin is the best but he's pretty damn good at his job.

You can call me anything you want, doesn't change the fact strength tanks aren't good, I have yet to run into one that has not died and first thing i notice is the super low hit points they come into the party with and suck up all the curing and first thing they do is complain about healer.

then when they go to vote kick I say no or I leave cause I want to get the job done not see some paladin pointing the finger and pissed because hes dying.

When I see people calling me names for pointing this out, seems to me that I might be pouring more salt into your wound.

Vit tanks destroy strength tanks. lets face it the only reason they go strength is they do PVP they aren't meant for partys.

[RickXRolled]

No its just speaking the truth, so far from my experience on the game, vit tanks are the best, I ain't saying my cousin is the best but he's pretty damn good at his job.

You can call me anything you want, doesn't change the fact strength tanks aren't good, I have yet to run into one that has not died and first thing i notice is the super low hit points they come into the party with and suck up all the curing and first thing they do is complain about healer.

then when they go to vote kick I say no or I leave cause I want to get the job done not see some paladin pointing the finger and pissed because hes dying.

When I see people calling me names for pointing this out, seems to me that I might be pouring more salt into your wound.

Vit tanks destroy strength tanks. lets face it the only reason they go strength is they do PVP they aren't meant for partys.

As I said before

You sound very ignorant.

Maybe one day you will understand how bad your line of thinking was, but by then the changes will probably already be implemented.

Besides, if your cousin is so pro and yet he has to heal himself despite being a brick wall there is a fundamental problem somewhere.

[Kitano123]

No its just speaking the truth, so far from my experience on the game, vit tanks are the best, I ain't saying my cousin is the best but he's pretty damn good at his job.

You can call me anything you want, doesn't change the fact strength tanks aren't good, I have yet to run into one that has not died and first thing i notice is the super low hit points they come into the party with and suck up all the curing and first thing they do is complain about healer.....etc
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Vit doesnt increase mitigation only health pool, there are no attacks in the game that require full vit HP so a tank without any str acc is wasting potential dps. Unless you have a terrible healer, full vit is pointless.

You'll find most raiding tanks will have at least a few str acc and will swap stances when necesary. Its the optimal way to play.

[Pomelo]

While Strength tanks are more closer to dying which the healer is healing him alone while others are dying by the time they reach others the tank is dead.
While healer can focus on others while a vit tank can take some punishment.



If you ask me a strength tank is more of a leech.

To be honest STR tanks require less healing because the enemies are dead faster, they can keep themselves alive more because Bloodbath and Clemency and every Self Heal in all 3 Tanks arsenal is currently based on STR (after the change its prolly VIT)
I don't even mind this change especially if they make the oaths not break combo and such, then WAR and PLD both can stance dance like healers can at the moment.

As an AST when I get a pure STR tank, my eyes light up. When I get a pure VIT one I roll my eyes because fights last longer, and I have to heal more. Which means I dps less.
When someone got a mega HP pool that they don't even need, my heals don't magically scale to heal more, they stay the same which means I have to heal more to keep you at full, especially if you one of those OCD tanks that need to be at full all the time



When someone got a mega HP pool that they don't even need, my heals don't magically scale to heal more, they stay the same which means I have to heal more to keep you at full, especially if you one of those OCD tanks that need to be at full all the time