Issue with double standards with Se and defining between dps and support.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Why does bard need a buff? Because somebody had a fail Duty finder with 4 bards? 4 prolly, not i200+ bards. Prolly not even main bards. Bards don't need a buff, neither do Machinists.

[firstsin]

I spoke with soo many bards and I have noticed those that have been farming alex savage will only complain their DPS is suffering when they have to do something that interrupts their rotation. Anything that boosts the entire parties DPS was always a plus.

I am unsure why the OP is picking on bards here.

[RiisWolf]

Dude, everyone else has to stop attacking when they need to get out the way and they still were above bards in the past. Adding back mobility is not going to solve anything.

Plus minuet and their new abilities really do make Bard much more flexible than in the past.

[sackings]

what game are u playing? because 95% of players already only play their class to 75% of their efficiency. class is irrelevent for everything outside savage

[Kayko]

In reality

- While BRD/MCH has lower single target damage than other classes, the majority of content does not involve straight single target encounters, and when they do they are broken up into small burst phases with downtime in between.


BRD is roughly 7%
MCH is roughly 9%

Made up numbers are made up.

Taking a look at the available numbers for Alexander Savage shows a different story.
I took the top 400 (if available) and averaged the dps.
BRD=1309.4
BLM=1431.8
DRG=1391.4
MCH=1182.9
MNK=1470.2
NIN=1289.9
SMN=1480.3


Average DPS among all damage dealing jobs throughout Alexander Savage is 1365.1.
That puts (JOB = #%) above/below average
BRD = -4.17%
BLM = 4.77%
DRG = 1.91%
MCH = -14.30%
MNK = 7.41%
NIN = -5.67%
SMN = 8.10%

Just looking at ranged puts an average DPS at 1351.1 and that turns into:
BRD = -3.14%
BLM = 5.80%
MCH = -13.27%
SMN = 9.12%

If you wish to take a look at how things all came out with avarages among sections and jobs, here is a quick spreadsheet that has the numbers side by side. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...icTxC4evtii_ys

Keep in mind that these percentages are against the AVERAGE DPS. Take MCH who is 13% behind the average is actually about 22.5% behind SMN or 19% behind BLM. BRD is almost 9% behind BLM.

[Takara528]

the duty roulette can be a nightmare when pairing players together. I remember back in Final Coil, DFing T11 and getting 4 BLM combos. We tried and gave up after couple pulls, just couldn't down phase 2 fast enough before the boss does his nerve gas... DF needs a smart pairing of some type that tries to not put the same type of classes together. I rather not go in and attempt because it becomes a complete waste of time and effort.

[mb52139]

It is interesting that bard/MCH have lower DPS because they are a support class. But yet SE claims support classes do not exist and even then, EVERY other class has support elements in them. Therefore.. every class needs their DPS nerfed, cause they support the team.

[Sleigh]

Made up numbers are made up.

Two things.

You are averaging all of Savage (and I'm not sure what the top 400 proves, I can tell you right now the a whole lot of the top 400 of any class aren't performing very well) which highly leans towards casters due to their A1 and A2 supremacy.

and

His 7% for BRD, 9% for MCH, the entire basis for you doing that averaging out, were in relation to Disembowel's effect on BRD/MCH, not some statistic on how far they are behind other classes.

[Vlady]

Huh? If you know your job's dps rotation to a pretty strong degree goto any training dummy and you will see what I am talking about. That is the only true way that every job can be properly calculated for an accurate window of which dd is actually stronger. On a training dummy you will see monk/ninja/dragoon pull ahead of the bard by more then just a 8-9% margin.

[Judge_Xero]

Huh? If you know your job's dps rotation to a pretty strong degree goto any training dummy and you will see what I am talking about. That is the only true way that every job can be properly calculated for an accurate window of which dd is actually stronger. On a training dummy you will see monk/ninja/dragoon pull ahead of the bard by more then just a 8-9% margin.

Not correct, since each class has it's strengths and weaknesses. In that case you are only comparing the single target potential of a class. If that was the case you could say, the only proper way to compare classes was in an AOE rotation.

You should go to an area with 3-4 Training Dummy's together and compare all classes. I can't remember exactly what it is for BRD on 4 Mobs but I think it's in the range of a +60% difference VS single target.