Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

[Reinha]

This means I'm going to have to heal the tank more in order to cap them because their HP pool has increased but my heals don't scale with it. :B

Only if you let them drop more than you could safely let a STR tank drop. So, same amount of healing overall but longer intervals in and out of CS.

Also, you could try to minimize overhealing by not capping your big-HP-tank. This means less heal casts, more dps.

[Mycow8me]

Actually the higher HP goes the more disparity for scholar heals. I guess they are the real losers for all of this. Emergency tactics should have been more like divine seal to actually be useful in an emergency, maybe even +15% cure pot and +15% galvanize... Then dissipation becomes irrelevant. I don't even like the idea of using that one, unless you can spare a swiftcast to resummon after. Then you won't be able to raise while its down. Tough call.

/thread derail.

[PArcher]

Why do people say strength tanks are squishy? Vit tanks can be just as squishy. Maybe even more.

A lot of STR tanks stay out of tank stance more than VIT tanks, and often use less cool-downs (often either thinking they're godly for being STR tanks and too good for mitigation, or expecting their heals to carry them). Both of which will make them squishier.

Granted, a lot of VIT tanks are newer, so just aren't as geared or as good (which is where their squishiness comes from). But geared VIT tanks tend to be more conservative, staying in tank stance more, and [over]use CDs.

Yes, a good STR tank, using tank stance and CDs properly, will be just as "tanky" as a VIT tank. I'm one of them. But when I heal in the DF, I see too many bad STR tanks to count.

[FinalWolf]

Welp time to get some VIT rings and redo my bonus points.

[FinalWolf]

I just realized WAR's damage output will be insane in defiance now.

[Eidolon]

"We will be changing the method for calculating the potency of physical attacks for tank roles in Patch 3.2. We’ll be making it so vitality affects the potency of physical attacks, and as a result the effect of strength on physical attack potency will be reduced."

Yea, my concern is...

Right now, let's say that STR is 1, and VIT is 0. VIT is 0 because VIT has 0 effect on your Damage. STR affects it by 1 Per 1 (arbitrary number for example alone.)

So, "The effect of Strength on physical attack ptoency will be reduced"

What this can mean is:

STr becomes .5, instead of 1.

"Making it so vitality affects the potency of physical attacks

VIT Becomes .5, instead of 0.

What I want to know is like, raw nubmers I guess. I doubt they'll make STR=0 in this scenario, because that'd make half the stats on our gear useless.

[Ashkendor]

I just realized WAR's damage output will be insane in defiance now.

Why do people keep saying this? Defiance is a direct HP increase and doesn't affect VIT at all.

[Akuryu]

With tank damage scaling off VIT, there is no longer any excuse for a tank doing poor DPS. HP vs DPS is no longer an argument. You have both. Get to work.
With tanks having so much extra HP now, there is no longer any excuse for a healer not to contribute significant DPS. Tank has 30k HP. Don't just stand there. Get to work.

Pretty much strengthens the idea that we are all DPS, just tanks and healers have extra responsibilities.

[Whiteroom]

A lot of STR tanks stay out of tank stance more than VIT tanks, and often use less cool-downs (often either thinking they're godly for being STR tanks and too good for mitigation, or expecting their heals to carry them). Both of which will make them squishier.

Granted, a lot of VIT tanks are newer, so just aren't as geared or as good (which is where their squishiness comes from). But geared VIT tanks tend to be more conservative, staying in tank stance more, and [over]use CDs.

Yes, a good STR tank, using tank stance and CDs properly, will be just as "tanky" as a VIT tank. I'm one of them. But when I heal in the DF, I see too many bad STR tanks to count.

This. It makes me feel warm inside when I run into a STR tank who knows how to play. Most just seem to be DPS who fate leveled and saw the big pulls people can do and copy that. A tank who who doesn't use CD isn't a tank, just a dps with some hp and a shorter queue time.

I've actually recieved hate for saying this exact phrase to some:
"I don't mind healing you in Deliverance, but please use defensive CD."

With that being the first thing said, so no other tone set.

With tank damage scaling off VIT, there is no longer any excuse for a tank doing poor DPS. HP vs DPS is no longer an argument. You have both. Get to work.
With tanks having so much extra HP now, there is no longer any excuse for a healer not to contribute significant DPS. Tank has 30k HP. Don't just stand there. Get to work.

Pretty much strengthens the idea that we are all DPS, just tanks and healers have extra responsibilities.

I would probably wait to see just how the adjustments pan out before assuming tanks will be High hp dps gods now. Though unless they lower a lot of the current DPS checks, it should be on a similar scale to now. If it is a straight swap, a lot of content got that much easier due to the extra cushion, and I don't think they want that, unless they just write it off as old content and let it ride.

[SpookyGhost]

Why do people keep saying this? Defiance is a direct HP increase and doesn't affect VIT at all.

It's sort of an understandable confusion, since VIT raises your HP and people usually naturally associate the two with eachother. But yeah, it doesn't work like Hawk's Eye (+DEX), it works like... Thrill I guess would be the best comparison? I dunno.