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    aesteval's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    Titan Hard/Extreme
    original Pharos Sirius
    SCoB: T4 (T9)
    Steps of Faith
    Alexander: Gordias Savage

    All examples of when they attempted harder ... and it was met with much distaste
    Maybe what's missing is a proper difficulty scale and what relative difficult content goes where. The mechanics on some of those, even post nerfing, are more tedious morethan anything else. Was the only thing nerfed the DPS intensity? Tedious mechanics have their appropriate place, but MSQ should still be designed to be beatable by the community at large.

    (Personally, Titan hard seems a good and reachable goal where it is right now, but Steps is still a mess if too many members are new via DF - while Steps may be perfectly simple and straightforward once a group is coordinated on it, PUGging doesn't offer the same depth of coordination options as a premade group and it is a duty which is imperative to clear for MSQ.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesteval View Post
    Maybe what's missing is a proper difficulty scale and what relative difficult content goes where. The mechanics on some of those, even post nerfing, are more tedious morethan anything else. Was the only thing nerfed the DPS intensity? Tedious mechanics have their appropriate place, but MSQ should still be designed to be beatable by the community at large.

    (Personally, Titan hard seems a good and reachable goal where it is right now, but Steps is still a mess if too many members are new via DF - while Steps may be perfectly simple and straightforward once a group is coordinated on it, PUGging doesn't offer the same depth of coordination options as a premade group and it is a duty which is imperative to clear for MSQ.)
    Except steps of faith wasn't difficult. It was a fight that was based on 90% reading the giant text bubbles the NPCs shout on the screen. You find out in 2 seconds the boss doesn't aggro so you have a free tank to use a cannon and a free healer since there isn't anyone but a single tank to heal. Everyone else just attacks the boss (tank gets adds of course) and do what the flying test says. What is hard?
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    there are many wiping 90 minutes in duty finder stories so it was too hard for many people, lol nobody but a single tank to heal, so many times people were flattenned to death by the dragon or killed by adds, your raiding party skill level is not the same skill level people have outside of raiding parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuSaarva View Post
    there are many wiping 90 minutes in duty finder stories so it was too hard for many people, lol nobody but a single tank to heal, so many times people were flattenned to death by the dragon or killed by adds, your raiding party skill level is not the same skill level people have outside of raiding parties.
    Strategy does not account for people playing badly (dps getting hit by completely avoidable huge dragon feet and tanks not aggroing mobs). By the time you are level 50 you are expected to have completed the 50 level long tutorial explaining to you how to play the game. Maybe they should make leveling longer since apparently it's not enough time for people to learn how to play the game.
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    Miyha Manaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by UBERHAXED View Post
    Maybe they should make leveling longer since apparently it's not enough time for people to learn how to play the game.
    And I somehow doubt even that would remedy anything. ;;; Bads will be bad and take shit to the face no matter what. (The VAAAAAAAULT being a prime example of this. QQ ) I suppose there could be more strict barriers in place to bar people who can't dodge the big glowy circle on the floor from progressing to certain high-level content, but I don't even want to think about how fast this game would crash and burn as a result of all the unsubs...

    So yeah. Basically along the lines of what everyone else has been saying. I still wipe repeatedly in the most trivial of instances because people are just that incompetent. If the difficulty were ramped up as you're suggesting, very few people would be able to clear most of the content, if purely because there will inevitably be at least one idiot in a pug group who can't get their shit together. Commence mass rage quit, both of said idiots and the people who are having difficulty getting anywhere because of them.

    That said, I wouldn't mind seeing more "midcore" content. As for what's currently in the game, Alex Savage seems to be the only "real" challenge (maybe Thordan EX too). If you want to see what increasing the general difficulty would result in, as someone previously suggested... Do Titan EX in Duty Finder. XD;;;;
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    Quote Originally Posted by UBERHAXED View Post
    Except steps of faith wasn't difficult. It was a fight that was based on 90% reading the giant text bubbles the NPCs shout on the screen. You find out in 2 seconds the boss doesn't aggro so you have a free tank to use a cannon and a free healer since there isn't anyone but a single tank to heal. Everyone else just attacks the boss (tank gets adds of course) and do what the flying test says. What is hard?
    Reading is hard
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