Astrologian impossible to balance as it is

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Or even better: people could stop pretending to be game designers suggesting lots of complicated ideas that are harder to program and won't solve a thing. The simple "fix" is take the restriction off and allow AST to change Sects. If that doesn't happen, that's ok too, because AST is viable in any Sect.

You're threading on thin ice here with an accusation of others being pretend-game designers while throwing in a proposal yourself in the very same sentence.

Or rather that people made the natural, logical decision that the 'SCH-like stance' - which Nocturnal was advertised as being, not some PVP niche skill that you keep mentioning - would be a better complement to the WHM's toolkit in a party, instead of being a secondary WHM-type. Except the Sect sucks as doing what's intended in a raid setting (which Jobs are designed and later adjusted around in the first place), while Diurnal doesn't, so it wins out.

I'll just throw this in as a source to sustain this:

Tell us a bit more about the two styles of astrologian.
Y: The best way to put it simply is that you'll be able to switch between stances of a pure healer type and a barrier type. One way to think of it is that the healer type would be kind of like white mage, while the shield type would be closer to scholar. However, it would be too strong if you could switch frequently during combat, so there will be restrictions on how often you can change.

Can you give us an example of what the proper utilization would be?
Y: When you're doing a raid dungeon with a white mage, for example, you might use the barrier stance, and you'd use the pure-healer type stance if you were paired with a scholar.

Famitsu interview with Yoshida
Same interview translation found on BlueGartr

[FeliAiko]

I'll just throw this in as a source to sustain this:

Famitsu interview with Yoshida
Same interview translation found on BlueGartr

Thank you for providing those.

[TatoRazzino]

You're threading on thin ice here with an accusation of others being pretend-game designers while throwing in a proposal yourself in the very same sentence.

Yes, that's true. I don't mind the thin ice thing, because I have a degree in game design and I have been working with game design for the past six years. Some of the people in here may also be designers, but the amount of absurd ideas I see in here show otherwise.

[Galdous]

Yes, that's true. I don't mind the thin ice thing, because I have a degree in game design and I have been working with game design for the past six years. Some of the people in here may also be designers, but the amount of absurd ideas I see in here show otherwise.

And I am in the credits for Diablo 2 as a beta tester from the days of early Battle net and kali but that does not mean my perception is the same as the setup the designers have for the game. That does not make you an expert any more then someone else who has played the game and know the system to a detail for years.

[TatoRazzino]

And I am in the credits for Diablo 2 as a beta tester from the days of early Battle net and kali but that does not mean my perception is the same as the setup the designers have for the game. That does not make you an expert any more then someone else who has played the game and know the system to a detail for years.

True, I can't possibly know exactly what the developers plan to do, not any more than other people. But suggesting a floating moon and copycats of SCH DPS spells for AST while complaining, at the same time, that AST has no unique identity is pretty messed up, if you ask me. Knowing game design in theory and practice, not only as a player or consumer, grants a different insight. People are not worried about balance when they suggest balance ideas; they want their job to be OP, and that's a characteristic of game players. If 90% of the ideas in this forum were taken into consideration, the game would have three jobs that would be repeated, since everyone wants their favorite job to be able to do anything the other jobs do, with different names and animations. So I may not be an expert that can guess what the developers want, but I can have a different point of view and I can sort out lots of ideas that won't work. If you, who experienced game design from a developer point of view, can't do that, that's your problem not mine.