About the mobs in the World of Darkness

[AstralKaos]

That was the problem, yes, he retained his former memory as well as dying along with it. Just wasn't sure on if it was the actual Xande, a clone Xande or a perfect clone Xande, based on the comments here (absolutely a perfect clone in my opinion).

I'm actually curious as to what he looked like before, as it was implied or said that just like Phlegethon and Amon, he was heavily augmented in Allagan magic/technology... If he looked different at all (maybe the WoD clones suggest he always looked like that?).

[Fenral]

I'm actually curious as to what he looked like before, as it was implied or said that just like Phlegethon and Amon, he was heavily augmented in Allagan magic/technology... If he looked different at all (maybe the WoD clones suggest he always looked like that?).

The only clue (if it is one) I've found on that is a comment by artist Testu Tsukamoto that indicated there were "issues" that prevented him from using human bones in Amon's design (hence the goggles). Actually pretty sure the issues were less a matter of lore and more a matter of the bare human skeleton being a violent obscenity in certain territories (like China, iirc), but it makes you wonder.

[Frederick22]

I know this is pretty a bit offtopic but since we are speaking about Xande again I wanna ask this question withouth makign a new thread.

As we all know now, by the end of CT story we learn that the 4th umbral calamity caused by the cristal tower, was not beacuse of a malfunction, it was beacuse Xande, on a desesperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebels, he tried to use the cristal tower and it overlaped the limits of the tower's capabilities.

My question is, how Xande, Amon, Scyllia, Garlobas(?) and Plegenton. In all that chaos of the civil war had the time to ugumented themselfs, gaining overhuman powers and becoming really big. Ok maybe Xande ( given that his thone is big, he probably become big a while ago ) and Plegenton ( experimentation ) and Scyllia ( experimentation ), but Amon and Garbolas(?) ??

[Lambdafish]

I know this is pretty a bit offtopic but since we are speaking about Xande again I wanna ask this question withouth makign a new thread.

As we all know now, by the end of CT story we learn that the 4th umbral calamity caused by the cristal tower, was not beacuse of a malfunction, it was beacuse Xande, on a desesperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebels, he tried to use the cristal tower and it overlaped the limits of the tower's capabilities.

My question is, how Xande, Amon, Scyllia, Garlobas(?) and Plegenton. In all that chaos of the civil war had the time to ugumented themselfs, gaining overhuman powers and becoming really big. Ok maybe Xande ( given that his thone is big, he probably become big a while ago ) and Plegenton ( experimentation ) and Scyllia ( experimentation ), but Amon and Garbolas(?) ??

This actually makes sense if you think about the fact that this technology may have been in development a while before the civil war brought on the downfall of the Allag. The way I imagine it is that Scylla was the first successful experiment, given her monstrous appearance, it would make sense that she was an Allagan experiment. Once the technology was functional, it was given to the two greatest warriors of the Allagan empire, phlegethon and Glasya Labolas to make them weapons against the rebels, and Xande (with his god complex) was probably augmented around the same time. Amon is an interesting one because one of two things could have happened: he could have used it on himself as a desperation measure when he saw that the end was near, so he gave himself the augmented power to ensure the survival of himself and what was left of the Allagan empire, or he could have used it on himself as a "human" test subject after Scylla was a success.

[Grayve]

Well, original body or no, the memories were transferred a little too perfectly into the new host. "Though the body may perish, the spirit lives on," and all that. What we fought wasn't Copy Rezo with a complex about surpassing his original, but a Xande who remembered his own death and still considered himself the genuine article.

Well, the ALC quests, both 1-50 and 50-60 deal with transferring souls, one to raise the dead and the other in an attempt at eternal life. Couple that with Xande and it seems that souls and memories persist in the Aetheral Current. Unless I'm recalling things wrong, it seems one doesn't need the Echo to transfer souls, just a clone? I'm rambling I guess, it's late here, but the whole ALC quest seems to imply a lot of things about the nature of souls and aether.

[Fenral]

As we all know now, by the end of CT story we learn that the 4th umbral calamity caused by the cristal tower, was not beacuse of a malfunction, it was beacuse Xande, on a desesperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebels, he tried to use the cristal tower and it overlaped the limits of the tower's capabilities.

Well, there was a malfunction, but it happened because the entire thing was triggered early. Remember, Doga and Unei were inside (presumably fighting Amon) when it happened, while Salina was outside somewhere safe enough that she wouldn't be killed by the earthquake. Doga and Unei were the more informed party. We don't even know if Salina really had any knowledge of the rebels beyond what she saw on TV, honestly.

My question is, how Xande, Amon, Scyllia, Garlobas(?) and Plegenton. In all that chaos of the civil war had the time to ugumented themselfs, gaining overhuman powers and becoming really big. Ok maybe Xande ( given that his thone is big, he probably become big a while ago ) and Plegenton ( experimentation ) and Scyllia ( experimentation ), but Amon and Garbolas(?) ??

All the augmentation happened well beforehand. I'd even wager the willing parties had a device like the post-war Zentradi (points if you get that reference) that lets them switch forms, kind of like Amon's temporary(!?) Toad magic.

[AstralKaos]

As we all know now, by the end of CT story we learn that the 4th umbral calamity caused by the cristal tower, was not beacuse of a malfunction, it was beacuse Xande, on a desesperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebels, he tried to use the cristal tower and it overlaped the limits of the tower's capabilities.

My question is, how Xande, Amon, Scyllia, Garlobas(?) and Plegenton. In all that chaos of the civil war had the time to ugumented themselfs, gaining overhuman powers and becoming really big. Ok maybe Xande ( given that his thone is big, he probably become big a while ago ) and Plegenton ( experimentation ) and Scyllia ( experimentation ), but Amon and Garbolas(?) ??

Well, technically the miscalculation and it escaping into the earth is a malfunction? And it wasn't a desperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebellion, it was a deliberate move to throw open the Voidgate and end everything quite literally.

As for augments, the only one with any detailed information is Phlegethon.

Adored though as he was, the revolutionary leader was eventually captured by agents of the empire. Scholarly records give a chilling account of how his body was forcibly altered through sorcery and science, his mind broken and conditioned to obey.

Scylla is a weird one, her actual robe styling is shared with the Reptoid enemy, so is she augmentation or purely a guard dog resulted from similar experiments and forcibly done like Phlegethon, or did she actually want that?

So it leaves Amon, Xande and Glasya as the only ones who augmented of their own will, once the science and sorcery was at its highest level.

[Frederick22]

Well, there was a malfunction, but it happened because the entire thing was triggered early. Remember, Doga and Unei were inside (presumably fighting Amon) when it happened, while Salina was outside somewhere safe enough that she wouldn't be killed by the earthquake. Doga and Unei were the more informed party. We don't even know if Salina really had any knowledge of the rebels beyond what she saw on TV, honestly.

All the augmentation happened well beforehand. I'd even wager the willing parties had a device like the post-war Zentradi (points if you get that reference) that lets them switch forms, kind of like Amon's temporary(!?) Toad magic.

Well, technically the miscalculation and it escaping into the earth is a malfunction? And it wasn't a desperate move to end the civil war and kill all rebellion, it was a deliberate move to throw open the Voidgate and end everything quite literally.

As for augments, the only one with any detailed information is Phlegethon.



Scylla is a weird one, her actual robe styling is shared with the Reptoid enemy, so is she augmentation or purely a guard dog resulted from similar experiments and forcibly done like Phlegethon, or did she actually want that?

So it leaves Amon, Xande and Glasya as the only ones who augmented of their own will, once the science and sorcery was at its highest level.

Yes it was a desesperate move to end the civil War, but Xade overestimed the power that he was collecting from Dalamuh. Now maybe that malfunction was beacuse he tried to use the toweron a way that wasnt suppose to.
Even Cid says that if a civil war would have never being started, Xande would have never being forsly motivated to use the tower on the first place.

That said, why the civil war began? Obious reasons. Decay of the empire of a exesive light, maybe some people didnt like Xande's resurrection and consider him a monster ( or a primal ), maybe the thought that the empire started to be more like dictatorship.

Despite all thanks for the clarification of CT bosses, since i think was a topic that wasnt being talk very well.

[Anonymoose]

Scylla is a weird one <...> is she augmentation or purely a guard dog resulted from similar experiments and forcibly done like Phlegethon, or did she actually want that?

The artbook confirms that Amon tortured and exprimented on Scylla, and the sacrificed clone we see in World of Darkness clarifies that she was "Queen", but that's all we have. Whose queen? Why not empress? What is this? ... Ready for some headfanon blasphemy? I like to assume that Scylla was the reigning monarch of Allag when Amon was conducting his resurrection experiments. I tell myself that Xande gave her to him as a plaything once restored to power given that she was the current symbol of the Empire's decay.

As for what she was, now that you mention "guard dogs", perhaps she wasn't a prototype augment, but a prototype cerberus.

[AstralKaos]

The artbook confirms that Amon tortured and exprimented on Scylla, and the sacrificed clone we see in World of Darkness clarifies that she was "Queen", but that's all we have. Whose queen? Why not empress? What is this? ... Ready for some headfanon blasphemy? I like to assume that Scylla was the reigning monarch of Allag when Amon was conducting his resurrection experiments. I tell myself that Xande gave her to him as a plaything once restored to power given that she was the current symbol of the Empire's decay.

As for what she was, now that you mention "guard dogs", perhaps she wasn't a prototype augment, but a prototype cerberus.

Ah, I never knew that, thanks!

And yes, I always wondered what the Queen title was about, you're headfanon I like though, punished and used as the stepping stone essentially to right the "wrongs" of her reign.