Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Well this got boring fast. When is 3.2 coming?

[Critical-Limit]

Lol asking questions doesn't = attacking??

Ok so asking someone if they're a bot. Instead of just saying "BLM, do you not have "this move"?" Is going to auto imply you're just spamming and not doing real work worthy of someone paying attention. When the Tc doesn't know them. It's not nice to assume they aren't giving their all. They might have multitasking problems or haven't got that in their muscle memory yet and forgot about it for a long time.

That is rude sorry.

Here is a question that is attacking, an example just so you know questions can hurt.

"Uhm why is your ability to multitask matching to that of a toddler?"

Oh he's just asking a question, no insults. If you tunnel vision that shows signs of being a toddler.
/sarcasm.

Please defend it harder. It's the worst way to start off criticism.

[Ciri_Wolf]

You can't prove it was rhetorical, or meant to be insulting. As I've said, I'll ask if some people I group with are bots if there's a lack of sufficient human interaction before hand.

Would that make me inconsiderate?

Depends on how you worded it. "hello" "is anyone there" is clearly a frustrated question. If he simply asked if BLM was a bot, or asked the party, that would be different.

You kept trying to add context of what the situation was like before hand to discredit him.

Then aren't you doing the same to the BLM? The BLM asked TC if he was trying to tell a DPS how to DPS. How does that question make the BLM the bad guy, then? TC's answer was to shove the fact that he has lvl 60 BLM in his face and came off like an elitist. That's where it escalated. And then they both ended up looking like jerks. Regardless of whoever started it.

[Kaurie]

Depends on how you worded it. "hello" "is anyone there" is clearly a frustrated question. If he simply asked if BLM was a bot, or asked the party, that would be different.




Then aren't you doing the same to the BLM? The BLM asked TC if he was trying to tell a DPS how to DPS. How does that question make the BLM the bad guy, then? TC's answer was to shove the fact that he has lvl 60 BLM in his face and came off like an elitist. That's where it escalated. And then they both ended up looking like jerks. Regardless of whoever started it.

The first point in the TC's log that I would consider rude was "Shut up". Everything before it I read as a conversation.
"Hello" - fine,
"Is anyone there" Checking in because no response,
"is this a bot" - ok conclusion considering lack of response and skillset being used (that said it was rather rapid, all being within the same minute),
"yeah",
"why are you not using enochian" fair question
"wanna tell a dps how to dps" answering a question with a question, but fair enough
"yes" answers the question
"because I have a blm to 60" provides reasoning
"do me a favor" ...?
"shut up" First comment which -tone free- can objectively be considered rude.

[Reilyn]

Here is a question that is attacking, an example just so you know questions can hurt.

"Uhm why is your ability to multitask matching to that of a toddler?"

Well no shit questions loaded with a direct insult can hurt, but here's a little test I started doing in 4 mans to prove you wrong.

-Hey guy who hasn't said anything, or hasn't even exchanged hellos since we started. Are you a bot?

They answer yes, or no, and leave it at that.

On a scale of 1 to butthurt, how offensive is that?

[RiceisNice]

There are tell-tale signs of botting. I'm willing to bet it was obvious the BLM was not a bot simply because they didn't use one skill. TC obvious cherry picked a small screenshot out of a whole dungeon. Wonder what the entire dungeon looked like. Either way, TC acted like an ass, and got treated like one

There are botting scrips that play the 2.0 BLM rotation (which in otherwords, is not using enochian) fine for the most part, maybe missing 1 or 2 casts by swapping too soon.

My side's interpretation is any more valid than yours, but my question is when did TC look like he acted like an ass within that screenshot? Granted like you aid, there's no other dialogue other than the screenshot, but there's the possibility of there not being any previous dialogue to begin with.

Then aren't you doing the same to the BLM? The BLM asked TC if he was trying to tell a DPS how to DPS. How does that question make the BLM the bad guy, then? TC's answer was to shove the fact that he has lvl 60 BLM in his face and came off like an elitist. That's where it escalated. And then they both ended up looking like jerks. Regardless of whoever started it.

On the BLM's side, he already told OP to "shut up" after "telling a dps how to dps". And there goes that elitist word again =/

[Maxidelta]

It seem you have not still reading the thread.
The OP was not passive agressive, he didnt the right thing in asking.
The BLM and the Tank, sure they are 2 adults that cannot tolerate any world and most for them any kind of teaching will be agressive from them, being nicely or not. Very inmature and oversensitive.

Again, keep your assumptions to yourself, it adds nothing.

We clearly see two different conversations so I'm agreeing to disagree. Doesn't change the fact that in his quest to make the dungeon go faster, he inevitably slows his own progress down when he could have easily just got it done sans the snark bot remark.

Clever.

[Reilyn]

Then aren't you doing the same to the BLM? The BLM asked TC if he was trying to tell a DPS how to DPS. How does that question make the BLM the bad guy, then?

1: that question didnt make the person who asked it the bad guy, and I never said it did.

TC's answer was to shove the fact that he has lvl 60 BLM in his face and came off like an elitist.

2: the OP answered the question of 'is he telling a dps how to dps' with yes, and why he may have been qualified to instruct

That's where it escalated.

No, this is:

3: the OP was then told to shut up

Get the facts straight, thank you.

[Ciri_Wolf]

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I'm not really debunking who was the jerk first. Only that that they were both jerks. BLM was rude first. TC was asking stupid rhetorical questions instead of just asking a simple one like why the BLM was not using an ability. It all happened very fast. Why didn't the TC just ask in the first place? Why wait and then ask a bunch of silly questions. My first thought when a White mage doesn't use heal me soon enough, is not "Are you a bot?"

[Ciri_Wolf]

1: that question didnt make the person who asked it the bad guy, and I never said it did.



2: the OP answered the question of 'is he telling a dps how to dps' with yes, and why he may have been qualified to instruct



No, this is:

3: the OP was then told to shut up

Get the facts straight, thank you.

Get what facts straight? You just repeated what I said. Also, I think it's neat that you keep trying to dismiss my assumptions by using your own. Either way, I don't really care I guess. TC approached the situation wrong, got the BLM to lash out, and then both turned into jerks leading the TC to get kicked and post it on the forums.