What if Nocturnal Sect...

[ty_taurus]

The thing that kills me about Nocturnal Sect is when we compare it to Diurnal Sect.

Diurnal: Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios stack / Nocturnal: They do not stack

Diurnal: HoTs from Aspected Benefic, Helios, and Wheel of Fortune are extended by Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition / Nocturnal: While the shields can be extended, they break once enough damage has been taken and means buff extension is almost completely pointless beyond the cards.

My suggestion:
Change the way Aspected Benefic and Helios work under Nocturnal Sect. Casting Aspected Benefic and Helios Apply a shield for 100% of the HP initially healed. These stack with each other, but not with Galvanize. The buff applied by the shield does not go away even if the shield is broken, instead it applies smaller shields equal to 5% of the HP initially healed every tic (the same way a HoT works). These smaller shields add together. Recasting Aspected Benefic and Helios override the smaller shields and resets the process.

[Rawrz]

I think people need to stop trying to give ASTs 2 healing stances and instead ask for a healing stance (diurnal) and a support stance (nocturnal.) Both of these stances should be accessible during a fight, but lock each other out with their current cool downs.

One thing for AST i would like to see is the ability to switch sects mid fight. The only balance issue would be the insane regens on top of instant cast shield. A fix would be to have your own aspected spells override your previous ones.

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Another thing that could be done specifically to nocturnal is to increase the duration of all buffs by another multiplier, only while casting abilities like time dilation or celestial opposition. (Therefore cards and Wheel of Fortune act the same without the above skills)

Ex diurnal sect: cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 35
In nocturnal sect:cast bole for 30 seconds then celestial opposition it to 40.

This would shift the pressure of asts needing to be a dps clone of sch to a more true "support" in their nocturnal stance, thus increasing dps or damaging mitigation.

Just a thought. Everyone understands that time dilation and celestial opposition have poor synergy with nocts aspected spells.

[Mimilu]

I think people need to stop trying to give ASTs 2 healing stances and instead ask for a healing stance (diurnal) and a support stance (nocturnal.) Both of these stances should be accessible during a fight, but lock each other out with their current cool downs.

We aren't trying to, they already have two healing stances.
And I'm sorry to say this but there will always be pressure to healers to DPS, buffing people isn't going to replace that.

[Rawrz]

We aren't trying to, they already have two healing stances.
And I'm sorry to say this but there will always be pressure to healers to DPS, buffing people isn't going to replace that.

Scholars fufill almost all of their DPS contribution DPSING, along with Fey Wind. AST's give the most with their cards. What I'm saying is, Diurnal Sect is the powerhouse healing stance that AST possesses. Nocturnal should be their less heals needed, but more buffing potential. Just as SCH can go Eos to boost their healing but go Selene to boost their Support. Shields DO NOT heal as effectively as Regens. They will never truly compete alone, thats why SCH have fairies and access to OGCD instant cast abilities.

TLDR:

Offer AST a way to switch stances mid fight, so they can increase DPS, but not suffer as a healer, while buffing cards in Nocturnal stance, at least with Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation.

Nocturnal stance Prepull. Balance with Royal Road Spread saved.
Aspected Helios party to shield.
Spread Balance and Celestial Opposition with bonus time from nocturnal.
Time Dilate strongest DPS.
(Pull has happened, Tank has lost his shield)
Switch to Diurnal to Cast DoTs and regen tank.

AST's continue to be their own DPS, but have a stance that they can actively switch to, to Buff their cards and shield.

[Yhisa]

Hmm i think they should turn noctunal sect into AST dps stance which enhance cards and damage spells

Aspected benefic (new)
Places a shield on the target when destroyed heals the target over time

Aspected helios (new)
Places a shield on all allies within range, when the shield is destroyed it heals the target overtime

What this does is combine Diurnal and nocturnal together but to do this would need change potency and remove the initial heal as we already got helios, benefic 1 and 2 for healing this will also makes us strong due to lack of cooldowns and fairy , astrologian have far to much to keep track of in raids compare to the other 2 healers due to the card mechanics for example u waiting for mech to go into his burst attack to throw spear on him

[Yhisa]

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This will also fix issues nocturnal have with the following skills

Celestrial oppostition
Time dialation

I agree diurnal ast is strong and is soo in sync with to extend hots and cards all at once but it also made me question if AST should be the pure HoT healer whilst leaving WHM as burst and SCH for mitigation...

I mean with AST toolkit u can turn it into a healer which heals players over time i mean we got skills to extend buffs and HoTs on targets also i feel AST should be rocking with spell speed

Scholar favour crit due to shields
Whm favour Det+spell speed due to strong heals
Ast favour spell speed for fast heals and better hots and dots?

This is how i feel about the class i mean as AST we stacking synastry + aspected benefic+ aspected helios + collective concious for a 3-4k hot and extending it with time dialation so why not focus on this type of play style for astrolgian in future

[Vlady]

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I mean with AST toolkit u can turn it into a healer which heals players over time i mean we got skills to extend buffs and HoTs on targets also i feel AST should be rocking with spell speed

Scholar favour crit due to shields
Whm favour Det+spell speed due to strong heals
Ast favour spell speed for fast heals and better hots and dots?

This is how i feel about the class i mean as AST we stacking synastry + aspected benefic+ aspected helios + collective concious for a 3-4k hot and extending it with time dialation so why not focus on this type of play style for astrolgian in future

Hots did not work well for druids in wow until that super hot came out that ticked every second. The raids are centered around so much burst and fast recover I do not think it would work unless the new raid in Feb has different mechanics.

[Yhisa]

Hots did not work well for druids in wow until that super hot came out that ticked every second. The raids are centered around so much burst and fast recover I do not think it would work unless the new raid in Feb has different mechanics.

Yeah but we can change lightspeed to convert our hots into a burst heal which also removes the hot on the target

There are clever ways to do it and i think it be awsome

But truthfully i just want to step far far far away from being called a WHM or SCH... Its annoying makes me want to smack people with my star globe D:

[Vlady]

I do not want to see the Astrologian turn into the SE version of a wow restore druid. Nocturnal being pushed to be a more offensive stance that does not hurt the healing strength of the astro imo would be a more viable method. SE is not looking to totally redo an entire job toolkit at this stage of the game. Either find ways to make the stance work with only tweaks or wait til 4.0 most likely. I saw lots of raids in 2.0 Coils and extremes make use of double white mage quite well. Barely anyone used double scholar but no one complained to much about not being able to pair two scholars. Should not be a problem with scholar being almost irreplaceable for the time being to make up for being screwed over in 2.0.