Not sure when this became a thing, but...

[Judah_Brandt]

You know, if this is going to be another healer DPS fiasco, we could just bump up t hat megathread it had.

It will turn into that because the Healer main clearly has a biased and entitled opinion. Even went as far as to interpret other people's opinions, express them as incorrect facts, and then berate said people for being intolerant of players who choose to grief and pout.

[Jim_Berry]

Stop complaining and use it as a chance to learn that strategy. You'll never be able to do it if you never let groups try it.

It has nothing to do with me learning. Some of us die because mechanics are either:

...being ignored because of Bombs blasting us constantly.

...healers NOT using Fluid Aura purposely to send a message.

I only enter as tank or DPS, and I ALWAYS use the walker when on my NIN. Otherwise, if I'm tanking, the bomb blasts have nothing to do with me, unless I want to continue to get chewed out by the melee DPS who need to "chase" the mobs because I'm running mobs away from the bombs.

[Jim_Berry]

One out of seven players in a group should not dictate how the group operates. If said player chooses to hold that group hostage with their demands, they are easily replaced. It's the same ideology of a healer refusing to play properly because a tank makes them mad or another player does something they don't want. Stop holding everyone hostage with your crappy behavior and act like an adult.

Not often. I can upload videos via PS4 of how many times a group kicked a player, and it took forever to get another to the point where we just re-queue.

[Shem]

A huge issue, which I haven't seen mentioned yet, is when DPS enter the boss area and immediately say "I'm not taking the walker."

In most of these instances the statement isn't part of a larger conversation whether the group decides to knockback the bombs, or heal through them.

As a well geared healer I'm usually fine with whatever (healing through, dpsing, etc.), even if it ends up with bombs staying in place and enemies not being repositioned. However, the fact that almost no DF groups agree on the strategies here or even bring them up is the real problem.

I've defaulted to saying that I will give a commendation to whomever takes up the walker if it starts to get messy (or passively commend someone who moves them). I think instead of arguing which strategy is correct on the forums when most people wont even communicate it in-game or read it here, it's far more useful to just reward compatible play in others.

[Jim_Berry]

There are plenty of reasons why a healer can't DPS, but there are no excuses for why a healer can't heal. There are absolutely no reasons EVER that a tank shouldn't be tanking and doing their utmost to mitigate damage when their healer is struggling.

As for "one out of seven" dictating the run, sorry but that already happens. So-called 'Princess tanks' that need everything done their way (not looking at anyone in particular) or they'll ditch. Tanks being a resource that despite SE's best efforts still seems to be in short supply these days. If people want respect, they need to earn it. That means respecting the players in your group as well. If your healer simply can't keep up because you're skipping mechanics, maybe it's time to play by the games rules instead of your own.

I'm one of the healers that get flagged for NOT putting effort into dps'ing. That said, it's the reason why I DON'T play WHM anymore (unless for a quick Titan Ex undersized).

[Jim_Berry]

That SMN could easily just use garuda to knock the bombs back and not have to touch the gobwalker.

WHMs can use fluid aura and MCH can use blank too.

There's honestly no reason to use the walker in a2n if you have any two of those 3. You don't need stuns or vulnerability stacks in normal at all.

Why not? What if healer can't keep up with the damage?
What if DPS is low and you begin to get wave stacks?

No thanks! I'll just keep going as NIN and keep using the Walker. Feel free to leave the group if I'm there.

[Jim_Berry]

I've defaulted to saying that I will give a commendation to whomever takes up the walker if it starts to get messy (or passively commend someone who moves them). I think instead of arguing which strategy is correct on the forums when most people wont even communicate it in-game or read it here, it's far more useful to just reward compatible play in others.

If all people had your mindset, I'd be maxed out on Comms. Unfortunately, since the Walker is becoming a thing that people want to ignore, the Comms usually go to the Healer is he/they heal through the extra damage or to the tanks who reposition the mobs from the bombs.

[Hayward]

Shorter version of knuckleheads co-signing this foolishness:

"My parser's more important than actually being a team player."

[SnugglesD]

Why not? What if healer can't keep up with the damage?
What if DPS is low and you begin to get wave stacks?

No thanks! I'll just keep going as NIN and keep using the Walker. Feel free to leave the group if I'm there.

The stun is to handle mechanics in savage. Soldiers blow up and deal massive raid wide damage if they aren't stunned and hardminds buff surrounding mobs. You don't have any of that in normal.

Also, there isn't enough damage going out for a healer to get behind unless you've got much larger problems.

You know what would be just as useful as going NIN and using the gobwalker? Staying on WHM and putting fluid aura back on your hot bar.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

And if no WHMs are on your team, what then?