Not sure when this became a thing, but...

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It's funny; whether it's people speed running or trying to skip mechanics, I present to you a a trope that fits.

[Jim_Berry]

I've been going as DRK to get credit towards the mount. After a bunch of "these" situations, I went back as my main (NIN) to use the walker. Entering the battle, we had a BLM and AST arguing because the BLM wanted me to get out the walker and dps. The battle before that saw four wipes before people started leaving.

[Jim_Berry]

You know, to all those overgeared mechanic skipping, players out there, I'm just going to say it; even if YOU overgear content, everyone else may not and to be honest you can't be a very good player if your way to beat something is to over gear it. If you are as good as you would have others believe, the play the damn mechanics, otherwise people should assume the only way you can beat stuff is by exploiting power creep in gear.

Agreed! Those overgeared folks then get upset when someone messes up a mechanic because they were only taught how to speed/skip phases.

[Eul]

Actually I don't have problem with the bomb stack, still can dps as SCH too.

[Dorander]

Skipped mechanics and aggressive strategies impact healers the most.

Healers should always be the number one determining factor with any skipped mechanic or aggressive strategy.

If the healer says "no," you listen.

If the healer says "jump," you say "how high?"

If the healer says "for the love of the Twelve, Tank, will you PLEASE equip you Fending gear?" then you equip your Fending gear.

Or You could just not deal with the whiny healer and kick them, because more than likely the next healer that joins won't be crap.

[CyrilLucifer]

Or You could just not deal with the whiny healer and kick them, because more than likely the next healer that joins won't be crap.

He's right, though. Attempting to skip mechanics absolutely impacts healers the most and healer skill and comfort level with the content should be taken into account, especially for less skilled healers in DF.

[Judah_Brandt]

Or You could just not deal with the whiny healer and kick them, because more than likely the next healer that joins won't be crap.

One out of seven players in a group should not dictate how the group operates. If said player chooses to hold that group hostage with their demands, they are easily replaced. It's the same ideology of a healer refusing to play properly because a tank makes them mad or another player does something they don't want. Stop holding everyone hostage with your crappy behavior and act like an adult.

[Dorander]

One out of seven players in a group should not dictate how the group operates. If said player chooses to hold that group hostage with their demands, they are easily replaced. It's the same ideology of a healer refusing to play properly because a tank makes them mad or another player does something they don't want. Stop holding everyone hostage with your crappy behavior and act like an adult.

Exactly. I know myself and a few other people who are down right tired of this new attitude that quite a few healers have developed of not wanting to do anything but their little staff/book/globe dance waiting to toss out a heal. We flat out refuse to put up with it anymore. If they ONLY want to heal, then I'm dropping tank stance, and chain pulling till your finger bleeds from pushing your heal button. Step up, use ALL your tools for your job, and if you can't switch jobs/quit.

[Kosmos992k]

Exactly. I know myself and a few other people who are down right tired of this new attitude that quite a few healers have developed of not wanting to do anything but their little staff/book/globe dance waiting to toss out a heal. We flat out refuse to put up with it anymore. If they ONLY want to heal, then I'm dropping tank stance, and chain pulling till your finger bleeds from pushing your heal button. Step up, use ALL your tools for your job, and if you can't switch jobs/quit.

Grats, you just ruined the run for everyone. Feel better now?

[Lemuria]

If they ONLY want to heal, then I'm dropping tank stance, and chain pulling till your finger bleeds from pushing your heal button. Step up, use ALL your tools for your job, and if you can't switch jobs/quit.

Logic failure. If they only want to heal then you should only want to tank, but apparently that's too much work for some people. Newsflash people, healing is their primary job. DPS comes second to everything, and if you're sabotaging the group for the secondary characteristics, the fault lies with you, not with the healer.

There are plenty of reasons why a healer can't DPS, but there are no excuses for why a healer can't heal. There are absolutely no reasons EVER that a tank shouldn't be tanking and doing their utmost to mitigate damage when their healer is struggling.

As for "one out of seven" dictating the run, sorry but that already happens. So-called 'Princess tanks' that need everything done their way (not looking at anyone in particular) or they'll ditch. Tanks being a resource that despite SE's best efforts still seems to be in short supply these days. If people want respect, they need to earn it. That means respecting the players in your group as well. If your healer simply can't keep up because you're skipping mechanics, maybe it's time to play by the games rules instead of your own.

Arrogance breeds arrogance, and no one likes a conceited fool.