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    So nobody is worried that we might cause [spoilers]

    So nobody is worried that the warrior of light and, by extension, Hydaelyn are becoming too strong and might trigger what is referred to as The Flood of Light?

    That I am aware of, it was only mentioned in Final Fantasy 3 as the disaster that nearly ended the world a millennium(?) before the game started because the forces of light had become too strong.

    To prevent this, Warrior of Darkness were called forth to stop it in FF3.
    What did we get to see in the previous patch? Introduction to the Warriors of Darkness.

    I know that darkness is still pretty dang prevalent in the world as of patch 3.15, but I believe that this event will come to pass in the future. Well... almost come to pass, since the Warriors of Darkness are awake and derping it up in Eorzea.

    It would certainly make for impressive story, that is for sure.

    What do you guys think?
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    Well considering we know so little about these so-called 'Warriors of Darkness' other than Elidibus's sanctimonious and hypocritical ramblings about 'balance', I wouldn't worry about that too much. If that really was a danger, they would have been introduced into the story almost immediately to counteract us, but they weren't - only being brought in as the Ascian's 'last resort' after we started slaying them for good - nothing to do with 'light being more powerful', but out of desperation. The Ascians are now on the back foot, and they don't like it.

    Hells, Evil!Derplander and his party.... for all their blustering... don't appear as strong as you might think. They only managed to get the drop on Alphinaud, Y'shtola and Krile because the later underestimated them - we didn't actually get to see how we would fare against them (because stupid
    Thancred showing up and flashing his ego around as usual
    ), but the fact they backed off quickly and teleported away after MrEgo appeared shows they're not as powerful as they make themselves out to be. Even Krile dismissively and cynically says "Warriors of Darkness? Seriously?" when they introduce themselves, suggesting that their very concept actually does not have past precedent (unlike the Warriors of Light), so again I wouldn't be worried about them too much.
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    The Flood of Light was a problem in III due to the two worlds, the World of Light and the World of Darkness, needing equilibrium. Too far in the opposite direction and it summoned the Cloud of Darkness, a manifestation of emptiness.

    While it's certainly a possibility, aside from Nameless Ascian simply saying "your world" instead of name-dropping the plane the Warriors of Darkness are from, there are scant few hints that there's a "World of Darkness" (well, besides the one at the end of the Crystal Tower story) that is in opposition to our World of Light. It's a possibility I'm aware of but not something I'm willing to bet on until we get more information.
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    It was also hinted that Yoshida asked us if we wanted sky or sea for 3.0. We got sky. Any relevance to a "flood" could make 4.0's theme "sea" based, but that's just me guessing.
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    Enkidoh and Cilia make good statements, not enough on the table to draw conclusions. But throwing theories out there is fun.
    But now the story opens itself up even more as I am reminded that the notion of "other worlds (stars)" is coming into the picture. Again, I doubt they will outright give us another world as a new area, but the notion for story telling is quite interesting.
    Story wise, the only thing I truly hope they don't do is time travel and the like, it would be needlessly convoluted.

    The Warriors of Darkness just gave us a quick "Hey, we are your sworn enemies and want you dead, but not now, so... bye!". A direct clash with them is gonna happen and when that happens it would be right for the entirety of the realm to feel it, give our fight with them much more... oomph. Perhaps something will happen when/if we beat them... or if they beat us.

    Then we have the Gerun Oracles. If it follows FFXII; so some clod (or clods) are dictating how pivotal moments in history are gonna go down to achieve a "desired end" or prevent an "end in ruin".
    Alright, who is this pretentious, "immortal" idiot, and where is he? He needs a beating.

    All these powerful creatures coming after us time and time again, and with every victory we, and by extension Hydaelyn, get stronger. Its going to reach a breaking point where our strength is going to be too much and I am going to love every moment of it.

    Open for discussion!
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    Technically, a Flood of Light is what destroyed Allag. Xande and Dalamud just finished the job. It's a messy bit of lore that superficially seems to contradict what that whole plotline was trying to say about goodness and technology, but with the way things are going lately it kinda makes me wonder if everything in the 2.X-3.X arc is us being set up for a "nice job breaking it, hero" moment of epic proportions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erudito View Post
    Then we have the Gerun Oracles. If it follows FFXII; so some clod (or clods) are dictating how pivotal moments in history are gonna go down to achieve a "desired end" or prevent an "end in ruin".
    Alright, who is this pretentious, "immortal" idiot, and where is he? He needs a beating.
    My current best guess is that it's Zodiark / the Ascians.

    The Echo, the "power to overcome," allows us to overcome Zodiark's curse and rewrite fate. The Ascians also have it, but use it to the opposite end - keeping fate on course. There seems to be a big problem with Hydaelyn's actions; she seems to be violating causality and fate by allowing our existence, while we seem to be the only one the Ascians pay any real attention to. Ol' Elidibus also seems intent on getting Urianger to buy into his "this was all written" philosophy, but the latter is intent on fighting "our fate to perish."

    Well, time will tell the big answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Ol' Elidibus also seems intent on getting Urianger to buy into his "this was all written" philosophy, but the latter is intent on fighting "our fate to perish."
    And I still say you have it backwards: Eldibus is trying to show Urianger that there's a fate in need of fighting, not that he should give in and accept destiny. It's of course tempting to believe that we're already on the "fighting fate" side, because JRPG heroes usually are, but I don't think we have any tangible indicator of that, yet.

    As for me, I'm presently inclined to think of events like the Ultima Weapon fight as a sign that Hydaelyn is ensuring our destiny by directly intervening in situations that jeopardize Her plans for us. "Destiny" is ultimately just a conceit used to describe the unseen authorial intent behind the universe. The problem is figuring out who's writing what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    And I still say you have it backwards: Eldibus is trying to show Urianger that there's a fate in need of fighting, not that he should give in and accept destiny. It's of course tempting to believe that we're already on the "fighting fate" side, because JRPG heroes usually are, but I don't think we have any tangible indicator of that, yet.
    Eludibus can hardly count for all Asian ideals. Nebralius was trying to send EVERYTHING back to oblivion, Zodiark included. And Lahabrea by the time of his demise seemed hell bent of destroying us, plans and consequences be damned.

    I still champion the idea that Elidibus is on his own scheme and that the Ascians are a lose coalition at best that (occasionally) share the same end goal. But they are hardly a unified front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    And I still say you have it backwards: Eldibus is trying to show Urianger that there's a fate in need of fighting, not that he should give in and accept destiny.
    I agree with Fenral, I still say it's the Ascians who fight fate while those who serve the Light unintentionally ensure the continued path.

    Allow me to step out of in-game defense here for a moment and discuss a meta topic.
    Ascians seek chaos. What does chaos tend to represent, even outside of D&D in Japanese games? Freedom of choice an independent action, which Elidibus is all for - telling Nabriales that they all serve, in their own way. It is by exploiting the Spoken races and their natural tendency towards chaos (Ramuh says darkness, but the implication is the same, darkness causing chaos) that they are able to pursue their goals. I just find it a bit hard to see them flipping to the opposite end of this spectrum.
    Respectively, we have an example with Thordan of Light being used to represent the ultimate order.

    Also, I'm with Kaiser. We know that all of the Ascians do not share the same methods and disagreements seem somewhat frequent in how events should proceed, which was the entire point of the Nabriales and Elidibus scene in 2.1. What we don't know is how united they are other than being under a banner of the same overall goal. As an extreme example for comparison, you can equally say Thordan and the WoL can be placed under a banner of wanting to banish darkness and creating a world of light. Seems a bit extreme when you put it that way. It's just too vague to really make assumptions that they are all in perfect harmony, unison, and agreement on all matters about everything just because they work for the same master. In fact, we straight up have evidence implying otherwise.
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