Raiding and Teamspeak.

[Zeonx]

In all fairness it does indeed prove stuff. Anyone can clear final coil now. You don't even need to communicate so obviously people don't need voip now for it lol.

Im sorry but the endgame raid is literally the only thing that shows player skill. As said before most of the content outside it can be cleared by anyone.

And your just helping his point saying most either paid or had a friend help them. Of course if you get a carry you don't need voip lol.

Now days yeah because of the nerf.

Though saying back before the nerf it was basically the same thing, I seen people in PF selling the runs, though if they knew the run very well after beating it don't you think they wouldn't even need the voice?

Think my cousin did coil up to twintania and decided the gear really didn't make a difference to keep doing those runs, while he finished up his stuff as he suspected a update rolled in with new gear obsoleting the whole thing.

That's the real problem, gear seems to update too fast, you cannot complete a full set without another rolling over it and once you get to a nice level you can get the new stuff.


Though I still don't think voice is really needed to beat content if you are good at your job and know what you are doing, though I agree for those who don't might be helpful to them I guess but that isn't helping them learn anything if you have to tell them what to do. Isn't that the same as being carried?

[Andrea]

Now days yeah because of the nerf.

Though saying back before the nerf it was basically the same thing, I seen people in PF selling the runs, though if they knew the run very well after beating it don't you think they wouldn't even need the voice?

Think my cousin did coil up to twintania and decided the gear really didn't make a difference to keep doing those runs, while he finished up his stuff as he suspected a update rolled in with new gear obsoleting the whole thing.

Read the first line you just said..."If they knew the run very well after beating it." They know the fight, they have beaten it before, of course they wont need voip then lol.

Voip is not needed. Does it help tho? for most yes. Some also find it nice being able to talk to their static instead of typing, some don't. We can't just say the group that don't like voip are the " good players".

Also on your edited points:

I have no idea why the topic of gear is coming into a thread about VOIP that doesn't mean anything.

Voice chat isn't needed for anything, just like typing on your keyboard isn't. Also telling them what they have to do? no one who is carrying people or selling runs will invite the person into voip.

[Zeonx]

no one who is carrying people or selling runs will invite the person into voip.

Well yeah I know that why would they lol

I wouldn't give my PS4 tag out if I didn't know them either.

[Andrea]

Well yeah I know that why would they lol

I wouldn't give my PS4 tag out if I didn't know them either.

You said " if you have to tell them what to do. Isn't that the same as being carried?" Im just pointing out that of course they wouldn't need to be in the voip if they were getting carried.

Pointing out something has happened in a raid doesn't equal bad players, sometimes its nice having someone call stuff out. Some people find that helpful, that doesn't make them bad players.

Also I don't know what you mean about ps4 tag but anyone can see your tag if they play the game on the ps4.

[Zeonx]

I meant I wouldn't add them.

Also I still say I don't see how they could learn if they are told what to do, cause usually they would expect that all the time until they figured it out.

Yes I did say that it is being carried, cause you can watch a video and go in without someone peddling the way for you.

When a new person comes in sure advice is nice.

Though if you have to tell them to turn on a move or run to the left side and anything else you are winning the fight for them wouldn't you agree?

[Andrea]

I meant I wouldn't add them.

Also I still say I don't see how they could learn if they are told what to do, cause usually they would expect that all the time until they figured it out.

Yes I did say that it is being carried, cause you can watch a video and go in without someone peddling the way for you.

When a new person comes in sure advice is nice.

Though if you have to tell them to turn on a move or run to the left side and anything else you are winning the fight for them wouldn't you agree?

Most will say stuff like " this move in a few seconds." And also the person expecting it all the time until they figured it out? That would be no different if they were in VOIP or not..The group would still be waiting for them to get it figured out. Thats my point. To say just cause someone uses voip they aren't as good as those who don't is just stupid.

To your example, yes thats what we call a carry. Carries 99% of the time don't involve voip. Also no serious raiding static is going to have someone that needs to use a move or run to the left. They use it to shout out specific mechanics or just as a way to lighten the mood.

Saying you are bad just cause you use voice chat is like me saying everyone who doesn't is bad because the world first groups have always used voice chat in this game.