People selling runs, why not talking about it ?

[xPenguin]

Hello, I'm Rika Furude from Cerberus server.
On Cerberus, we got so much people buying runs (T5, T9, Titan ex, shiva ex...). By what I see on Ragnarok for example, T9 price is 6.3M ( http://solitude.guildwork.com/_/sales ). I guess that on most server, people who sell runs are fixing together prices. On Cerberus, T9 price is 12M. The thing is that only one FC (people from Cerberus will probably recognize which FC i'm talking about) and especially one group is fixing price for everyone and it created some problem to sellers because a certain group is selling for 12M T9 and another one for 7M, titan ex for 5M and another one for 500k. It came to that, people who got undercuted are reporting the other group for undercuting their price.
I wanna know what you think about this kind of stuff.

[M0xie]

Hi Rika.

It's all pathetic. The "[people who can win for whatever reason]" that complain about "[people who cannot win for whatever reason]" not being good enough and as the reason for nerfs to content are enabling the same people they criticize by selling runs.

Edit: So touchy!

[Hiruke]

Hi Rika.

It's all pathetic. The "hardcores" that complain about "casuals" not being good enough and as the reason for nerfs to content are enabling the same people they criticize by selling runs.

Neither "hardcores" nor "casuals" are uniform, block voting groups. May as well say that "casuals" are enabling "hardcores" to complain about bads in their runs by offering to pay for clears. People like gil. I think selling/buying clears is distasteful and would rather see those people never win, but those market forces are too much for others, it seems.

[Preypacer]

Hi Rika.

It's all pathetic. The "[people who can win for whatever reason]" that complain about "[people who cannot win for whatever reason]" not being good enough and as the reason for nerfs to content are enabling the same people they criticize by selling runs.

Edit: So touchy!

I had an experience with this myself some time ago.

A while back, I was trying to get through the first Coil, and was up to Twintania. I asked folks in my FC if they'd be willing to help. I wasn't looking for a carry; I wanted to work for and earn it myself. Regardless, I couldn't get any takers, and one member, I'll call him Jack (don't know his real name anyway), gave me this particularly long speech, over-explaining why they didn't help anyone anymore, because people don't listen, players suck and just want to be carried, and on and on.

Now, bear in mind, I'd known this person going back to 1.0, had happily helped them with numerous things they needed, and they knew I wasn't a slacker or someone who would expect to be carried. I like earning/learning my own way through things, I don't like wasting people's time, I'm a fast learner, and I like to play well. I'd watched a couple vids on the fight, and jotted down one or two word reminders for each phase, that I could quickly glance at as the fight progressed. Still, they seemed convinced that I would be one of those people who wouldn't follow instructions, and who would just want to be carried.

Of course, I was put off by their dismissive attitude toward me, as it was completely unfounded. However, their true reason for not wanting to help me earn the win would become clear before long.

When I realized I was going to have a very difficult time finding people to help, I stated that I might as well wait 'til they implemented the (then) forthcoming nerfs to Coil, because maybe people would be more willing to give it a go then. I wouldn't get to experience it at its full difficulty, but at least I'd get to experience it.

Well, this seemed to ruffle Jack's feathers. Why? Well, they were completely against the idea of a nerf to Coil. "It's supposed to be a difficult challenge!" they declared. "Nerfing it for the bads is a slap in the face to those of us who had to learn it the hard way!"... and on and on. It was a long, indignant rant about how SE was taking away his accomplishments, even though they weren't, and couldn't... because he'd already done it. Anyway...

He was unmoving in his belief that Coil is supposed to be a challenge, it's supposed to be worked for and won through practice and determination, and players should not be given an easier time getting through it.

I said "Well, the content is months old at this point, and newer, more difficult content is in its place. In the meantime, people, like myself, can't get help with going through it, because people like you have either already done it and don't want to help anyone else, or because they dread what it entails and don't even want to bother. If the fights are made a bit more forgiving, then that might encourage more people to give it a shot, or even for people who don't want to go through it again now. If not for that, there's a good chance many people who want to get it done, like myself, will never have that opportunity."

Their response blew me away, and I'm sure some have already predicted it.

They suggested that I could pay them and some of their friends to get me through it, that they'd done it for other people. They could maybe even get me a discount.

A ha. The truth comes out.

Their whole rant about how "coil is supposed to be difficult, and should be earned through practice" etc, was BS. Their long speech for why they didn't want to help me win the fight was BS. For a price, they'd happily let me lie dead on the ground for the entire fight, and wouldn't think twice about it.

Their *real* reason for being against it was that voluntarily helping someone wouldn't be profitable for them. Their real reason for being so against the nerfs to Coil is that they feared they'd lose a major source of gil in the game if people no longer needed to buy their wins.

It had nothing to do with "preserving the challenge of defeating Coil". It had everything to do with preserving their in-game bank account.

I called him on his BS, informed him of how much of a pathetic hypocritical d-bag he was, and haven't spoken another word to him since.

Sadly, I've seen many, many more examples of that person's attitude in this game's player base.

[Deathscythe343]

Not sure there is anything that can be done about one group or another undercutting the "market" for this kind of thing. This service is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

[chrillix]

I'm confused on what you want to talk about, the fact that people sell runs or that certain fc's are trying to set prices for the whole server?

Either way, as for selling runs I have no problem with it. If someone wants to buy their runs then let them. Most likely you wouldn't find these types of people trying to join your static anyway so worrying about this affecting skill level really isn't a big deal. Some buyers may actually be skilled players themselves, but don't want to commit the time required to get a certain drop/clear normally, so they pay for the convenience of guaranteeing themselves loot.

As far as certain FC's trying to set prices for a whole server? Good luck with that. There will always be groups of players willing to sell runs for cheaper than "normal", and they will be the ones generating the most business for themselves.

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Could not have said it better

[FoxyAreku]

Could not have said it better

This was definitely worth bumping a post from a year ago to say. :P

[kyuven]

I really don't care personally. If a bunch of rich dingbats want to pay people to run them through content they can't be bothered to learn themselves, more power to them.

[Mister-Wonderful]

I really don't care personally. If a bunch of rich dingbats want to pay people to run them through content they can't be bothered to learn themselves, more power to them.

Pretty much this.