Hardcore, easy mode and the XI veteran

[Griss]

Op. Got to agree for the most part.

The only bit i really do not agree fully with is

Nay. Twas not the hours spent slaughtering crabs or crawlers that made a player effective at endgame.

Was it little blue crab #3,476 that came with the revelation of how to best Vrtra? Did crawler #7,978 enlighten anyone on the best approach to Dynamis?

between crawler #xxx and #xxx a player will generally learn how to use the tools they have and how to best incorporate the new shiny spell/ability they just learned. Then again i am from the school of though that the best way to teach something even remotely complex is to integrate new concepts over time after older ones have been mastered. That way the person can learn how this new unknown thing acts and how it interacts with the old stuff they already know.

So while killing mob #2896 is probably not going to give said player a startling revelation on how to beat proto ultima, It might serve to be the point where they realize something about the base game mechanics that In turn will help against that big nasty mob. after that mob #2900-3000 serve to let that person practice this new thing to perfection.

But other then that I agree 100%. If I could like the post more then once I would.

[AsterBarnivere]

I've invested a decade into FFXI, FFXI wasn't "hardcore" it was what we call a "timesink".

[Scherwiz]

@OP
Normally I find posts like this TL;DR, but holy hell man I read every last word and savored it similar to reading new patch notes or new letters from the producer. It was written very masterfully and covered everything I have been attempting to explain on these forums for a very long time. I am glad someone gets it in the way I do and can find a way to put it in words in a very professional manor without adding too much opinion.

It has nothing to do with understanding what he is saying or not, railing on (old) XI does not improve XIV, and yes some of what he is saying is absolutely right, but I think what is often missed is the fact that XIV still dosent have its own identity. It's an MMO living in XI's shadow for good or bad. There are things XIV can draw from XI that would improve it, and then there are dinosaur ideas from XI that it should never ever copy.

[NoctisUmbra]

If I could like this post 100x I would. Very well written. I agree with every word.

Also, anyone who didn't even bother to read the post entirely shouldn't comment. It's ignorant and disrespectful. Plain and simple.

Much like a lot of what was in the OP's post -- What would be the difference?

How did you come to the conclusion that a lot of what was in the OP was ignorant? Oh, you read it? Okay.

[Scherwiz]

Ok I haven't seen what the community here calls "hardcore," can someone enlighten me?

[Rinsui]

@Sephric

Somehow you managed to make me read that whole wall'o'text.
Perhaps because you used punctuation. And grammar.
But perhaps also because you hit the nail.

I never-ever want to camp HNMS again in my life.
Never.

[NoctisUmbra]

Wow. You have certainly earned my respect. To people who lack the intelligence to read your whole post, I say shame on you for posting in this thread. You can't accept reality. Come back when you're done with denial.

Sephrick, I must say this is the most well written post I've read on this forum. I tip my hat. I've been dealing with these same kind of players from day 1 on these boards and I think you have really nailed it.



Exactly.



This is true.. I saw this back when they changed MP costs and suddenly these people were saying curing was off easy mode.. No, it was always hard when you were actually playing the game and not spamming one spell like an idiot. So true that such people are not concerned with real difficulty or ability because it's there if you look hard enough - now we can recognize fools for the fools they are.

Neptune, I honestly never thought the day would come when we saw eye-to-eye on something.

haha, this really made me laugh. excellent use of "derp"

Glad you liked it. Some people didn't. I think it bothered them for some reason.

PS: I learned how to use derp from the master, YoshiP.

[Andrien]

@OP
Brilliantly written. I had to read everything from start to finish. You hit a grand slam my friend.

[Scherwiz]

Ok I haven't seen what the community here calls "hardcore," can someone enlighten me?

Noone? I try to avoid these threads because it's too touchy (for whatever reason) of an issue for some, and god forbid anyone have an opinion either way. So please if anyone can tell me what "hardcore" is exactly to this community, thank you.

[Konachibi]

Noone? I try to avoid these threads because it's too touchy (for whatever reason) of an issue for some, and god forbid anyone have an opinion either way. So please if anyone can tell me what "hardcore" is exactly to this community, thank you.

It all depends on who you ask, so far definitions have ranged from:

1: Incredibly huge time wasting activities.

2: Very difficult gameplay

3: Being forced to party to do everything

4: Pushing yourself to the limit to be 'the best'

Because of the mixture of interpretations though coupled with stubborness/narrow-mindedness, most people won't accept that their version of 'hardcore' is an incorrect defenition, hence why we have so many 'make this game hardcore' threads.