How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Thendiel]

Little practical question :

If Power Surge and Jump are up, and Blood for blood at like 4 secondes of being up too, is it worth it to delay Jump after Blood for Blood to have a fully buffed Jump ? Or should I use Jump before Blood for Blood ?

Because usually I do Power Surge --> GCD --> Blood for Blood --> GCD --> Jump (to have Power Surge on CD asap).

BTW I'm currently doing 1475 DPS with food, party buff and HQ potion, is that good ?

This isn't a question that I've actually done any number-crunching for, but it's a good one. With the currently accepted opener, this dilemma should arise just before your second BFB becomes available. My instinctive answer is that you would actually want to use Jump at that point rather than waiting for BFB. My logic is as follows:

• Since Jump is on a 30-second cooldown, there is a high likelihood that a 5-8 second delay might result in your getting one less jump before the boss dies or reaches its next phase transition. An entire extra Jump is undoubtedly stronger than a 30% boost to one Jump.
• Jump is very closely aligned with Internal Release throughout the rotation. If I remember correctly, waiting those extra GCDs for that one BFB ends up desynchronizing Jump and Internal Release, meaning that you lose an increased crit chance on 50% of all Jump uses after that point.

As for your numbers, they are quite good, assuming that you are i209 with a Spear of the Heavens or i210 with a relic. I cannot speak to what counts as good/extraordinary DPS at i210 with a Brionac or Gordian Spear, though.

[Sekundessounet]

This isn't a question that I've actually done any number-crunching for, but it's a good one. With the currently accepted opener, this dilemma should arise just before your second BFB becomes available. My instinctive answer is that you would actually want to use Jump at that point rather than waiting for BFB. My logic is as follows:

• Since Jump is on a 30-second cooldown, there is a high likelihood that a 5-8 second delay might result in your getting one less jump before the boss dies or reaches its next phase transition. An entire extra Jump is undoubtedly stronger than a 30% boost to one Jump.
• Jump is very closely aligned with Internal Release throughout the rotation. If I remember correctly, waiting those extra GCDs for that one BFB ends up desynchronizing Jump and Internal Release, meaning that you lose an increased crit chance on 50% of all Jump uses after that point.

As for your numbers, they are quite good, assuming that you are i209 with a Spear of the Heavens or i210 with a relic. I cannot speak to what counts as good/extraordinary DPS at i210 with a Brionac or Gordian Spear, though.

Hey ! Thank you ! I'm ilvl 208 with Antiquited Brionac at the moment, currently on Thordan. I understand for the Jump thing, I'll do like you said

[Erys]

Ello, guys. Looking for the most experienced players to sort me out.
My problem is, dervy's advanced opener is uncomfortable to me (as derp as this sounds) so I pull what I'd call a "i should be doing better" number everytime.
1300 on faust nm and up to 1400 in bosses in arboretum at i204. Still haven't got into AS because we are still organizing it. Here is my ""pityful"" variation.

BL-HT-Impuls-(B4B+IR)-Dis-(BotD+PS)-C-Jump-4-Geirskogul-Phleb-DFD-True-SSD-Vorp-(Leg+LS)-T4 and rotato.

Is it really that bad? I just don't want to be a hassle to my party and pull my weight XD

PS: facepalms with chairs are allowed, heavier objects are a no-no.

[whiskeybravo]

BL-HT-Impuls-(B4B+IR)-Dis-(BotD+PS)-C-Jump-4-Geirskogul-Phleb-DFD-True-SSD-Vorp-(Leg+LS)-T4 and rotato.

It's not that bad per se, but maybe this logic will help you out a bit

(since he's already double-weaving I'll assume it's not an issue)

Precasting BL is OK, but for B4B, the best spot mathematically to put it is after Heavy Thrust, this catches ID through 2nd 4th. You're popping it later which means you're getting another buffed HT instead of ID, minor 10 potency difference, but that's the logic behind it anyways.

Your first 4th, you CT> Jump > 4th. I really try to hold Jump until after the 4th unless it procs Wheeling while I'm already at the rear after CT. The animation delay from jump will most likely cause you to miss the positional bonus on 4th hit.

So, it's not bad by any means really, just a few little things you could do to optimize if you so desire.

[Ninjah2r]

Ello, guys. Looking for the most experienced players to sort me out.
My problem is, dervy's advanced opener is uncomfortable to me (as derp as this sounds) so I pull what I'd call a "i should be doing better" number everytime.
1300 on faust nm and up to 1400 in bosses in arboretum at i204. Still haven't got into AS because we are still organizing it. Here is my ""pityful"" variation.

BL-HT-Impuls-(B4B+IR)-Dis-(BotD+PS)-C-Jump-4-Geirskogul-Phleb-DFD-True-SSD-Vorp-(Leg+LS)-T4 and rotato.

Is it really that bad? I just don't want to be a hassle to my party and pull my weight XD

PS: facepalms with chairs are allowed, heavier objects are a no-no.

Think I can help you out with your rotation since we're on the same server. I got dervy's rotation down pretty good I think.

[Erys]

Precasting BL is OK, but for B4B, the best spot mathematically to put it is after Heavy Thrust, this catches ID through 2nd 4th. You're popping it later which means you're getting another buffed HT instead of ID, minor 10 potency difference, but that's the logic behind it anyways.

Your first 4th, you CT> Jump > 4th. I really try to hold Jump until after the 4th unless it procs Wheeling while I'm already at the rear after CT. The animation delay from jump will most likely cause you to miss the positional bonus on 4th hit.

This is what I wanted to know, what I was missing and what I could potentially gain.

With all that being said, I encourage you to keep trying to master the advanced opener unless your connection speeds a limitation.

Connection is not limitant except for when psn fucks up. I run on 200M bandwith. It's more a visual discomfort, like the colors of the skills in that particular order makes it more recognizable or the animations feel more fitting to say so. I still don't have potions because I'm not raiding, I could fit them before Impulse Drive or after if I change my B4F+IR position.

Think I can help you out with your rotation since we're on the same server. I got dervy's rotation down pretty good I think.

I appreciate the offer but it doesn't differ from me doing it. It's not a "idk wat do" situation but more of it not feeling natural looking or wierd.

Thank you all, I shall take this into consideration when I get to see my first numbers in AS.

[CookieMonsta]

This is what I wanted to know, what I was missing and what I could potentially gain.

Connection is not limitant except for when psn fucks up. I run on 200M bandwith. It's more a visual discomfort, like the colors of the skills in that particular order makes it more recognizable or the animations feel more fitting to say so. I still don't have potions because I'm not raiding, I could fit them before Impulse Drive or after if I change my B4F+IR position.

I appreciate the offer but it doesn't differ from me doing it. It's not a "idk wat do" situation but more of it not feeling natural looking or wierd.

Thank you all, I shall take this into consideration when I get to see my first numbers in AS.

If you are looking for a viable alternative purely due to aesthetics, unfortunately, Dervy's rotation is pretty much mathematically optimal. Anything less is under-performance.