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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    FF14 is not Everquest though and just because they do it does not mean FF14 should follow suit. FF14 has a clear cut line on preserving their class look by their physical appearance. Square has always done that when it came to class specific FF games.
    There were unique helmets that each class could get, but only the helmets were restricted. Not the armor.
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    I don't see why mages can't wear armor that DPS wear at the very least.

    Anyways, mages already have "plated" armor that tanks wear see: daystar, aurum, Odin, etc. It's very few in number, but its there. What we're missing is a body piece. I don't see we can't more it terms of body pieces.

    The Gordian and Law set would have been nice since it was lightly plated ...but it had a skirt attached. They need to slowdown in making robes which pretty much uses the same outline, but with different filigree and color. they need to be a bit more creative.

    I don't see why mages can't wear hard leather stuff? Or more light steel gear

    It is kinda ironic how many of the villains in Final Fantasy were mages wearing heavy armor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    There were unique helmets that each class could get, but only the helmets were restricted. Not the armor.
    Such armor like the helmet of Cecil's Helmet for purchasing the collectors edition which is an "event" item to an extent that was allowed cross that line of classes. They may have sold out on that one a bit. >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    I don't see why mages can't wear armor that DPS wear at the very least.

    Anyways, mages are already "plated" given armor that tanks wear see: daystar, aurum, Odin, etc. It's very few in number, but its there. What we're missing is a body piece. I don't see we can't more it terms of body pieces.

    The Gordian and Law set would have been nice since it was lightly plated ...but it had a skirt attached. They need to slowdown in making robes which pretty much uses the same outline, but with different filigree and color and be a bit more creative.

    I don't see why mages can't wear hard leather stuff? Or more light steel gear
    My assumption is because they are easily identified by what the overall population of the world see's them as; Robe wearing intellectual wise men or woman who cast spells, but for FF I would like them to instead of removing the glamour restriction, create unique plated or like plated armor that will match their class identity with out taking away from other classes or their own.
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    You know what's funny? There is no Class/Job Restricted Gear. All Glamour items are Lv 1 and are usable by everyone. Leveling up gear needs those restrictions because we don't people running around in gear that isn't meant for them. The glamour system just follows the rules of the gear. >.>
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  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
    You know what's funny? There is no Class/Job Restricted Gear. All Glamour items are Lv 1 and are usable by everyone. Leveling up gear needs those restrictions because we don't people running around in gear that isn't meant for them. The glamour system just follows the rules of the gear. >.>
    Except they couldn't get the gear anyways less they looted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    There are some exceptions to this rule such as bathing suits and event items that the Dev team and Yoshi P. have allowed, but just because these items are allowed does not mean we should make everything free game.

    The Dev. team see's that allowing full freedom of glamour to be unhealthy for FF14 concerning class identity and player confusion. I am happy they have a place in this game where they can put their foot down and say no to the fans. It tells me that they care about the game's image too and will say no because they also have a belief on what the game should be in their eyes.

    BUT; That does not mean they can't make some armor for specific class oriented jobs that can cross this line such as a Black Mage plate armor designed for Black Mages like they did for White Mages in FF11.
    I'll agree that it'd be silly to see a DRG wearing the WHM AF set, or the other way around. But there's a lot of non-artifact gear that have unnecessary job restriction.

    How would it cause player confusion if I glamoured Cashmere Skirt of Healing on a DRG? It's just a simple looking skirt, nothing healer-defining about it.
    Or glamouring the Kirimu Coat on a healer? It'd just be a healer wearing a coat, nothing that should be causing confusion.
    Or heck, glamouring the Hidemaster's Trousers (LTW AF2) on any battle class, wouldn't confuse anyone at all, as they're just some neat looking pants.

    While I think player confusion is silly to begin with, there's plenty of gear that really couldn't cause any confusion.
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    I'm fine with continuing to restrict Relic Gear. It's one tiny compromise for the sake of unlocking almost everything else. Anyways, I hardly think that plate-wearing healers(that look unfitting to the role) would be any more common than naked Tanks or anything of the sort. Just because the odd person might choose a glamour that doesn't look very fitting to their class, it's no good excuse to restrict it for everyone else as though there were some strict policy maintaining a serious, cliché-based class image in the first place.

    I think it's safe to say that most people who are interested in glamour are interested in sticking to a particular aesthetic, an aesthetic which likely correlates to the class they have chosen. If it's a Tank then it most likely involves armour, for example. Even if it's only a little, they could easily be justified by going for the lightweight gladiator look. I really doubt you'll see many people looking to wear robes as a Tank etc etc.

    Aside from this, I dislike that they continue to go out of their way to make undyeable gear which is also something I can't understand. I honestly fear they just use that approach it as an excuse for filling up their quota for 'new gear' releases that are just revisions of the same armour, only with the added function of being dyeable this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    The Dev's are not ok with the removal of glamor restriction, but they are willing to give an inch long as it is understandable to them and does not ruin the overall game experience.
    That's great for you. But how about the people that the lack of customization hurts their overall game experience?

    Look at that, people enjoy different things. What a novel concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tilgung View Post
    That's great for you. But how about the people that the lack of customization hurts their overall game experience?

    Look at that, people enjoy different things. What a novel concept.
    The overall gaming experience concerning glamours are based on the Dev's decision in this and not the fan base even if their reasoning may not be good enough for you. They do have a say in this after all, since they are the ones who spent years making this game in the image they wanted. Now for those who can't find that bridge to get over their answer... I have heard Everquest II is still operational. It is unfortunate though that we cannot have our cake and eat it too, but that was the decision they made. One side had to be the winning side and the side of class restricted glamour won based on what the Dev's felt was right.
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