SCH 4.0

[basketofseals]

New Fairy goes against lore and blah blah blah. I'd like to at least see Eos/Selene get some new abilities before they slap on another Fairy. It'd be nice to have more pet management going on, right now it's pretty simple.

Change Dissipation to an instant Fairy swap with no other benefits! I can't see this happening as it's quite a change from what Dissipation currently does, but I think a swap move as such would add a bit more decision making to our job while in combat. Though ideally this move gets changed for 3.2, we'll see. ;D

How does it go against lore? I can't recall the reason she has two forms anyway.

[DarkmoonVael]

How does it go against lore? I can't recall the reason she has two forms anyway.

You have the ability (in lore) to summon one fairy and one fairy alone. Selene is the dusk aspect of Lily, Eos the dawn aspect, and LB3 seems to summon Lily whole on SCH.

But hey, who isnt to say that in the future they go "hey found this old Nymian text, it allows you to summon a different fairy" etc etc etc.

[Aurelinaus]

You have the ability (in lore) to summon one fairy and one fairy alone. Selene is the dusk aspect of Lily, Eos the dawn aspect, and LB3 seems to summon Lily whole on SCH.

But hey, who isnt to say that in the future they go "hey found this old Nymian text, it allows you to summon a different fairy" etc etc etc.

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

Of course it holds water.

The fairy was a familiar created through Nymian technology (or magicks). As the entire populace of Nym were infected by a disease that turned them into tonberries, whatever knowledge they possessed were lost till a certain adventurer quickly nabbed away the soulstone and became in possession of a familiar named Lily. Lily was already "constructed" with the two aspects we know today. As you completed the scholar quests, Lily reclaimed some of her memories and at the same time you helped certain tonberry recover his and he, in turn, helped other Tonberries.

But wouldn't this mean they'd be able to make more fairies with their memories reclaimed?!
Well, no. Even with their memories, there are several issues:
Whatever was used to create said familiar was made with Nymian materials, technology and/or magicks. All but what was written on tablets that has survived the erosion of time would be lost. And the known tonberries with their memories are unable to utilize aether properly to perform any magicks involved in creating a familiar.
If the ability to create more familiars was possible, why hasn't this been done or mass produced already? Alka Zolka was extremely enthusiastic about the ability of Nymian tactics and the capability of Scholars. Yet he never pursued the possibility to train and enlist more scholars to work together with Marauders. Which was the original purpose of their pursuit of Nymian tactics. It's not like he doesn't want to, but he can't.

Then they can simply teach you how to make your own fairy!
And this addresses the following:
It was never specified they remembered every single detail prior to succumbing to the green-disease. They have merely reclaimed their humanity, although they are somewhat related to memories. In particular the finer details into "crafting" a familiar. After all, they've been loitering around like green zombies for nearly five hundred years.

Modern arcanists have carbuncle, though
Here is where the "unknown" would be. What is carbuncle in the first place? It was never mentioned it is a familiar, nor is it mentioned anywhere it's actually a primal. Primals aren't limited to brain washing god-like beings. King moggle mog, Shiva and King Thordan doesn't have a band of mindless thralls that gives them their form and shape. It's very possible that Carbuncle is actually a primal. Even if it is a familiar, it's closer related to the summoner egi's.

[Rawrz]

Of course it holds water.

The fairy was a familiar created through Nymian technology (or magicks). As the entire populace of Nym were infected by a disease that turned them into tonberries, whatever knowledge they possessed were lost till a certain adventurer quickly nabbed away the soulstone and became in possession of a familiar named Lily. Lily was already "constructed" with the two aspects we know today. As you completed the scholar quests, Lily reclaimed some of her memories and at the same time you helped certain tonberry recover his and he, in turn, helped other Tonberries.

But wouldn't this mean they'd be able to make more fairies with their memories reclaimed?!
Well, no. Even with their memories, there are several issues:
Whatever was used to create said familiar was made with Nymian materials, technology and/or magicks. All but what was written on tablets that has survived the erosion of time would be lost. And the known tonberries with their memories are unable to utilize aether properly to perform any magicks involved in creating a familiar.
If the ability to create more familiars was possible, why hasn't this been done or mass produced already? Alka Zolka was extremely enthusiastic about the ability of Nymian tactics and the capability of Scholars. Yet he never pursued the possibility to train and enlist more scholars to work together with Marauders. Which was the original purpose of their pursuit of Nymian tactics. It's not like he doesn't want to, but he can't.

Then they can simply teach you how to make your own fairy!
And this addresses the following:
It was never specified they remembered every single detail prior to succumbing to the green-disease. They have merely reclaimed their humanity, although they are somewhat related to memories. In particular the finer details into "crafting" a familiar. After all, they've been loitering around like green zombies for nearly five hundred years.

Modern arcanists have carbuncle, though
Here is where the "unknown" would be. What is carbuncle in the first place? It was never mentioned it is a familiar, nor is it mentioned anywhere it's actually a primal. Primals aren't limited to brain washing god-like beings. King moggle mog, Shiva and King Thordan doesn't have a band of mindless thralls that gives them their form and shape. It's very possible that Carbuncle is actually a primal. Even if it is a familiar, it's closer related to the summoner egi's.

If SE wants it to happen it can. The summoning of egis isn't "exactly" like the past summoners. It's infused with the teachings of today's summoning. Example of what SE Could do:

Lilly senses that she has found a new strength within her, but can't quite understand it, like words in her soul that won't form. You ask the nymians what this could mean. Obviously he has no idea. He suggests strengthening your bonds with Lilly, by entering her aetheric core with your mind. Inside you fight dark sprites with either Eos or Selene as NPcs (summoning them doesn't work, think permanent dissapate.) Finally after defeating them you see another fairy. Selene and Eos Touch the third fairy and become Lilly and you exit her aetheric core. You report to tonberry and he explains that your own aether had been strengthening lilly this entire time allowing her to harness another aspect (such as midday.)

Where there is a will and publishing/development control, there is a way.

[Neela]

If SE wants it to happen it can. The summoning of egis isn't "exactly" like the past summoners. It's infused with the teachings of today's summoning. Example of what SE Could do:

Lilly senses that she has found a new strength within her, but can't quite understand it, like words in her soul that won't form. You ask the nymians what this could mean. Obviously he has no idea. He suggests strengthening your bonds with Lilly, by entering her aetheric core with your mind. Inside you fight dark sprites with either Eos or Selene as NPcs (summoning them doesn't work, think permanent dissapate.) Finally after defeating them you see another fairy. Selene and Eos Touch the third fairy and become Lilly and you exit her aetheric core. You report to tonberry and he explains that your own aether had been strengthening lilly this entire time allowing her to harness another aspect (such as midday.)

Where there is a will and publishing/development control, there is a way.

I like the idea of unleashing Lily as her own - and i really would love to see an "enkindle" skill of her in this form. maybe some kind of whms "Assize" skill which changes depending on your current stance: If you are in cleric make it a powerful atk-skill like the summoner-ones (aoe dmg & silent/stun) if your in healing stance make it like a great aoe heal/buff (aoe heal & esuna/shield).

Why do summoner pets have enkindle but scholars faeries not? : /

[DarkmoonVael]

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

Its almost like you did not read the entire second paragraph of what i wrote.............

[Aurelinaus]

Its almost like you did not read the entire second paragraph of what i wrote.............

I did and disregarded it because people who bring up the lore argument always throw that bit there. Just because someone goes "blah, blah, blah because lore it has to be that way....btw gonna say this to cover my butt even though it conflicts with my prior stance on the arguement, lore may be changed/retconned" doesn't mean I'm going to not call them out. If you're going to go hey 'read the second half of my post, what was the point of the first? So were you agreeing, disagreeing, posting just to throw a bag of words out there?

[DarkmoonVael]

I did and disregarded it because people who bring up the lore argument always throw that bit there. Just because someone goes "blah, blah, blah because lore it has to be that way....btw gonna say this to cover my butt even though it conflicts with my prior stance on the arguement, lore may be changed/retconned" doesn't mean I'm going to not call them out. If you're going to go hey 'read the second half of my post, what was the point of the first? So were you agreeing, disagreeing, posting just to throw a bag of words out there?

Question was asked, question was answered.

Second half was my opinion, if you disregard that then there is no point in your contribution.

[Dalvy]

You have the ability (in lore) to summon one fairy and one fairy alone. Selene is the dusk aspect of Lily, Eos the dawn aspect, and LB3 seems to summon Lily whole on SCH.

But hey, who isnt to say that in the future they go "hey found this old Nymian text, it allows you to summon a different fairy" etc etc etc.

That just means we have two more slots for fairies, noon and midnight. Personally, I'd like for one of them to be an offensive debuff fairy.

But back to the topic at hand, I feel like what's missing from the bigger picture is more use for other stats besides crit. Even now, they are skimping on our main secondary stat because they think it's too good for us.