Please don't join endgame content with a job you dont know how to play

[KyahAlmasy]

Well all I have left to contribute is to say if you don't like inexperienced players in your end game content don't use the Duty Finder. That should be common sense. If you use DF expect the absolute worst, because you WILL get it. PF is there for people like you who don't want to deal with this.

Edit: Yeah T9 takes coordination* and effort to clear too. Unsynced at level 60 may not require as much effort but coordination is still needed. Besides if you are syncing to clear either ARR raids or HW raids (Savage Alex, normal is a joke) both require a lot of effort so don't try to distract from the fact that according to your stated parameters (aside from needing level 60 to participate) that ARR end content no longer qualifies as being end game because you can gimp it. That's a pretty weak excuse.

I think the fact that the content isn't level 60 is a pretty large factor in this. It's not distracting from anything, the content is gimped severely and requires very little coordination when you're level 60. Especially if you do know the fight, then there's no challenge at all. It seems like you're more focused on trying to split hairs and argue semantics, than make any valid point.

secondly, I'm not referring to DF exclusively, the event that elicited this thread was an encounter in PF

[TheUltimateSeph]

I think the fact that the content isn't level 60 is a pretty large factor in this. It's not distracting from anything, the content is gimped severely and requires very little coordination when you're level 60. Especially if you do know the fight, then there's no challenge at all. It seems like you're more focused on trying to split hairs and argue semantics, than make any valid point.

secondly, I'm not referring to DF exclusively, the event that elicited this thread was an encounter in PF

You are right. I am so sorry. I totally should be making a valid point here, like how the vast majority of your target audience for this thread who will see it and care is negligible at best. I understand the desire to vent and I have been in tons of horrible DF groups and a few horrible PF groups but I don't come on the forums and make a thread asking people to not do something because it interferes with my gameplay. That time could be better spent teaching others how to play, learning how to play myself or finding threads like this to respond to. :P

[KyahAlmasy]

You are right. I am so sorry. I totally should be making a valid point here, like how the vast majority of your target audience for this thread who will see it and care is negligible at best. I understand the desire to vent and I have been in tons of horrible DF groups and a few horrible PF groups but I don't come on the forums and make a thread asking people to not do something because it interferes with my gameplay. That time could be better spent teaching others how to play, learning how to play myself or finding threads like this to respond to. :P

To vent? This wasn't about venting, this was about giving advice to people who join endgame content with jobs they don't know, and usually it ends up with them getting flamed and kicked. Your whole argument seems to hinder the predicate that I'm some sort of hot-headed troll who explodes on anyone who pisses me off, though the irony is that I actually had to stop our whole raid to explain how AST works, which pissed a lot of people off. It's not that it interferes with just my gameplay, it makes everyone's gameplay overall unpleasant. The person doing it usually gets harassed, and everyone else feels like they have to carry dead weight, which isn't fair to them.

You're just very presumptious, and honestly, making an argument based solely off assumptions just sort of makes you look like an ass.