The arrogance of some people

[Elazu]

If they can't reach that speed without my help its still carrying. It's not as massive a carry, but it's still one.

Worst post of the day?

How DARE 2 dps can't pull the numbers of 3 dps!!!

[Colorful]

If they can't reach that speed without my help its still carrying. It's not as massive a carry, but it's still one.

Right, because DPS can put out unlimited DPS if they try hard enough.

Say both the DPS and Tank are doing the most DPS as the class could possibly put out with their gear, and their clear is around 13 minutes long (I have no idea if that's an accurate number with those numbers, but whatever). There's literally nothing they could do at that point to speed up the dungeon as they're doing the most, but with Healer DPS they can cut off 3 minutes to take it down to 10. Now tell me, how are they meant to reach that 10 if they're putting out the maximum their class can put out given their situation?

[Tilgung]

If they can't reach that speed without my help its still carrying. It's not as massive a carry, but it's still one.

There is a hard cap on DPS a single person can do that's dependent on gear, rotation knowledge and player skill. Tends to be in the 1400-1500 area for single target. Unless RNGesus is with you giving you insane crits, it's basically impossible to break that cap.

Assuming a dummy-ish fight, a set of absolutely exceptional DPS and Tank can probably push out 4100-4200 DPS. The White Mage I typically run with can put out 500-600 DPS when she's playing conservatively in dungeons. That's a 11.9-14.6% DPS increase, despite the other three members doing their absolute maximum damage.

[KaitlanKela]

The irony is that if you had a tank in DPS stance using DPS abilities and still managing to keep aggro from two DPS going all-out (Wow, holy crap that's a good team), what would you be doing as a healer?

1. Spam healing the tank
2. Nothing

So much more interesting and fun gameplay compared to Healer DPS, am I right? But we couldn't do that, we would be "carrying" our team...

[Eothas]

carrying, carry, carried

You keep throwing this word "carry", but seems like YOU are the one being carried everytime, based on your posts.



Why some players get so defensive? Why its so hard to admit that there is room for improvement? Always excuses, excuses and more excuses. zzzz

[Judge_Xero]

The irony is that if you had a tank in DPS stance using DPS abilities and still managing to keep aggro from two DPS going all-out (Wow, holy crap that's a good team), what would you be doing as a healer?

1. Spam healing the tank
2. Nothing

So much more interesting and fun gameplay compared to Healer DPS, am I right? But we couldn't do that, we would be "carrying" our team...

Somewhat true. I often end up in Pharos with Warriors who run the whole thing in Deliverance. I just have them pull everything between road blocks and by efficient use of their CD's I pretty well DPS the whole time as WHM. That is where WHM/SCH really shine is on AOE DPS.

This is War's in Deliverance in full STR as well (16000 HP).

[Iagainsti]

Blah, blah, blah... Let's see you finish a dungeon without a healer present.

One example, from way back during the myth grind for Animus Weapons. I have more if needed.

[KaitlanKela]

Somewhat true. I often end up in Pharos with Warriors who run the whole thing in Deliverance. I just have them pull everything between road blocks and by efficient use of their CD's I pretty well DPS the whole time as WHM. That is where WHM/SCH really shine is on AOE DPS.

This is War's in Deliverance in full STR as well (16000 HP).

I think we're saying the same thing here.

My point is that if the Tank and the DPS are spot-on and not needing to be "carried" by healer DPS, then they pretty much don't need healing anyway. It's not like you'd suddenly be dedicated healing like a good ol' boy: you'd be bored out of your mind if you refused to DPS.

Now who's getting carried? Hence, the irony.

[Judge_Xero]

I think we're saying the same thing here.

My point is that if the Tank and the DPS are spot-on and not needing to be "carried" by healer DPS, then they pretty much don't need healing anyway. It's not like you'd suddenly be dedicated healing like a good ol' boy: you'd be bored out of your mind if you refused to DPS.

Now who's getting carried? Hence, the irony.

Lol you are right, I read it all wrong. Your point was so good it went over my head.

[AskaRay]

Blah, blah, blah... Let's see you finish a dungeon without a healer present.

Well I mean that's sorta besides the point since my friend and I 2-manned most of the lvl fifty dungeons for the Anima quest.
Neither of us was a healer.