Please don't join endgame content with a job you dont know how to play

[Andrea]

How do players get to 60 and not know how to use all their skills? EASY. You don't have to use all the skills to beat all the dungeons along the way.

Maybe im expecting too much from people then to read what a skill does when they unlock one.

I can only hope once they get kicked one too many times they actually take time and look at what they are doing wrong.

[MaeIsMean]

Maybe im expecting too much from people then to read what a skill does when they unlock one.

I can only hope once they get kicked one too many times they actually take time and look at what they are doing wrong.

It's easy to read an ability, understand how it works, and still not use it, especially if it's not really needed to "get the job done." It's also easy to know how to heal as a solo healer, and not know at all how to do it in a situation with multiple healers. I have only healed on my WHM, and assumed all my stuff stacks with other WHM, and didn't really change the way I healed in a full party vs a lite party. If you are getting mad at another player for overwriting your things, instead of assuming that they're too dumb to know any better, maybe you can suggest splitting duties. For all you know, they know what they're doing, and are assuming you're the moron who doesn't understand that your stuff doesn't stack.

[Galibier]

I have nothing against being new to a job, or content. We've all been there, we've all been new at some point - but please, before you join any endgame content, have a basic grasp of your job so as to not grief other players. /snip.

I agree with the idea BUT you can know the class and still have issues, largely because of the dynamics the DF brings
1. Some fights have more than one strat. You know strat A but the majority of the group uses B?
2. If you are a tank you can look clueless because a healer and/or dps was clueless and vice versa for everyone else.
3. Poor overall coordination.

I mean if the run starts with 2 people saying "Hello!" And then a tank, or even better a dps because 5 seconds was too long for them, just Leroy in, can we actually expect any coordination?

[KyahAlmasy]

BCoB would also still be considered end game under those parameters. I don't care how over geared you are T9 will ruin your shit if you don't know the mechanics. Even the slightest screw up can have ruinous consequences. That being said I find it laughable that you would consider Alexander NM professional end game content.

Even in t9, with a full party of decently geared level 60s you can skip almost all of the complicated mechanics to that fight. Heck, you can even skip dive bombs entirely! The only coordination it takes is meteor placements. Which is probably the easiest shit in the world, considering that a healer is capable of tanking their ad. There's no worry for dd checks, or anything. When t9 was first released it was extremely hard, and took players months to complete. I ran in there with newbies and cleared it in a half an hour because the phases were being skipped so quickly. Almost all previous content can be cleared with relative ease unsynced, with minimum coordination because phases are skipped entirely. Heck, in most cases a healer hardly actually has to throw out anything, a fairy can sometimes heal the party while the sch dds. Mechanics aren't the only prerequisite if they can be skipped entirely.

I wouldn't consider any level 50 content endgame, merely because it is level 50 and requires little to any gear or skill to gimp it.

[KyahAlmasy]

Well define end game? Anything that is lvl 60 is considered endgame this includes dungeons, raids, primals, hunts and diadem. So basically what you are trying to say is that you don't want other players to practice on other jobs that they don't know how to use... A dummy doesn't do squat except help train muscle memory but not everyone can learn that way. I know several players that are very exceptional at any job they touch but rarely ever touched a dummy. TO each their own......

The best way for me to learn a job is to simply que the heck up and start making mistakes so I can learn what not to do.

You're splitting hairs here. It's abundantly clear that I'm not referring to content like dungeons, hunts and diadem where 90% of the time no one's taking any real damage, and can be sustained with one medica II. I'm referring to content where players have to actively concentrate and use their CDs in order to complete the Duty. For instance, I have dragoon leveled up to 60, but have NO idea how it works, the combos chains, or what stats to stack on it. Am I going to join Thordan ex to learn? Or Ravana ex where dps checks are needed? No, I'm not going to do that to a team of players, especially without warning. Perhaps I'd do it in a level 50 unsynced primal run, where even the lowest dps would have been considered high end during ARR, but not in level 60 difficult content that requires me to know what I'm doing.

But even if I was a big jerk, and decided to join a Thordan ex, or Ravana ex on my dragoon. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would do some research on my job, read the skills and chains to do combos before entering. It's called common decency, and respect for the other party members who are there to clear the content. I don't think that's asking too much.

[Riki_Namu]

But to simply throw on a weapon because it got defaulted into your armory because no one wanted it and then trying it out without any idea of how it works is just going to cause a lot of grief among others who you may join with.

What game are you playing? They still have to level the job to 60 and have the ilvl req to join end game content. They cant just throw the ast weapon on and be an ast at 60. Contradicted yourself a bit there. Perhaps when they read effect cannot be stacked they thought it meant with their own skills. Because WHM can stack regens.... Perhaps instead of raging you should explain to them that they should be in NOCT while you cover the other.

[Ayuhra]

Don't worry I've stopped doing endgame completely here because darn being good at FFXIV just ain't in the cards for me.

[KeluBehemoth]

Because Yoshi himself said that they will never change the relic quests because in 2.0 apparently so few people actually got the relic because most of the player base really is THAT BAD.

Yes, Ravana is mechanically more complex than Alex normal mode. Try running a Ravana EX in DF. Hell most PFs fail with people who are over geared as hell.

I'm mad that I can't do hard content without spending hours upon hours upon hours because 6/8 of the party utterly fails mechanics.

I would prefer easier mechanics so that the scrubs can clear content and I'm not stuck with them failing for months/weeks. Either that or SE needs to stop punishing the entire party for others mistakes.

[KeluBehemoth]

I honestly don't even give a shit about challenge or accomplishment or bragging rights any more. I just want to have fun and wiping Ravana EX 50 times with people in i200 is not fun.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Even in t9, with a full party of decently geared level 60s you can skip almost all of the complicated mechanics to that fight. Heck, you can even skip dive bombs entirely! The only coordination it takes is meteor placements. Which is probably the easiest shit in the world, considering that a healer is capable of tanking their ad. There's no worry for dd checks, or anything. When t9 was first released it was extremely hard, and took players months to complete. I ran in there with newbies and cleared it in a half an hour because the phases were being skipped so quickly. Almost all previous content can be cleared with relative ease unsynced, with minimum coordination because phases are skipped entirely. Heck, in most cases a healer hardly actually has to throw out anything, a fairy can sometimes heal the party while the sch dds. Mechanics aren't the only prerequisite if they can be skipped entirely.

I wouldn't consider any level 50 content endgame, merely because it is level 50 and requires little to any gear or skill to gimp it.

You'd be surprised how hard meteor placement can be, especially with inexperienced players. Your groups may have had an easy enough time with it but from personal experience if even one person doesn't fully understand the concept it's a wipe. I was the main reason my group wiped when I did it unsynced for the first time and I ended up leaving. I wasn't the only one screwing it up either. I understand the concept now but that was after practice and watching vids, which watching vids should never be expected of someone btw.