Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[PArcher]

There was some pretty wicked spike damage in T8 when a dread would come up, but that's what cooldowns are for.

That was also when T8 was at the top of the raid cycle, when you were expected to be good at your job, not like it is now, or even once FCoB was out for a bit.

Expecting all tanks to be able to survive Faust and the adds in normal mode is elitist and wrong. In a PF for A1S? Yeah, expect that. DFing A1N? No. You WILL get those tanks just barely passing the ilv check, you WILL get DPS going tank for the queue who can't tank more than the minimum, you WILL get people who are just bad at tanking. You'll also have healers who aren't as good, who can only deal with a single tank's damage at a time. Or slow DPS which causes even more damage on the tank, sometimes more than they have CDs for.

If you can solo tank Faust, go ahead and do it. But don't expect everyone else to be able to too. And before you ask...yes, I can solo tank him just fine, normal or savage. Overgearing helps a ton with it :P

[Niwashi]

Again, I really don't see why people do MT/OT for Faust.

Probably because there are more fights where splitting it that way is the most effective than there are fights where solo tanking is the most effective. Many players prefer the more familiar (as well as safer) pattern.

He didn't fail at doing his job, he was simply suggesting the most efficient way to tank that particular fight and the person he was in there with chose to take offense to that for some reason.

The problem is that he wasn't "suggesting" the most efficient way. He was demanding it, and calling the other tank "****ing stupid" "haughty" and "an idiot" for preferring the more traditional split. Preference for a MT/OT split is none of those things.

The only options Eidolon offered was to take over everything himself so the other tank couldn't do the job he was there for, or requiring the other tank to do everything, which apparently that other tank wasn't comfortable with. There was nothing wrong about the other tank wanting to tank but not wanting (or being able to) tank everything at once.

[Moonleg]

(the kind healer kicked me out after those two though <3 )

As soon as a group isn't full there's no penalty for leaving the instance. In other words, kick one, everyone else leaves after.

[Ashkendor]

Expecting all tanks to be able to survive Faust and the adds in normal mode is elitist and wrong.

People like to throw the word "elitist" around on these forums way too much. Did I say I expect every tank to be able to do it and I'm gonna vote kick anyone that refuses? No. If a tank is undergeared or doesn't feel like they can do it, that's fine. What I said is I don't really understand the mentality behind the strategy, meaning if there's no obvious reason to do it (i.e. undergeared tank or tank that isn't confident tanking it all) that I don't see why you would. I've had tanks in full Eso that clearly know the fight ask me if I want Faust or the adds, and are incredulous when I tell them I'll tank it all and for them just to DPS. I end up just as incredulous when they refuse to drop tank stance and rip Faust off me instead of contributing to the DPS.

Honestly, a lot of the time I end up just queueing with a tank friend so we're both on the same page.

The problem is that he wasn't "suggesting" the most efficient way. He was demanding it, and calling the other tank "****ing stupid" "haughty" and "an idiot" for preferring the more traditional split. Preference for a MT/OT split is none of those things.

I don't see where he demanded anything. He asked the other tank a question, and the other tank answered. As it turns out, the other tank didn't actually understand what he was asking but he agreed to it anyway. When asked why he wasn't picking up the adds, the other tank got snarky. It could've easily been cleared up with more communication on both sides of things (either the poster to make sure he knew what was meant by "supertanking," or the other tank stating that he didn't actually know what that meant). I'll agree with you about the last bit being out of line, in any case.

[Aenti]

As soon as a group isn't full there's no penalty for leaving the instance. In other words, kick one, everyone else leaves after.

oh, didn't know that~ thank you for mentioning.
It was still kind of a blank moment for me though when they kicked the tank first. : P

[SpiritMuse]

This whole "supertank" business reminds me of that time in the Library (I think) where a paladin, before the first boss, asked me to "single heal" him. I had no idea what he was talking about, I thought he was referring to some strategy to heal only him and ignore the rest of the party. O_o As it turns out he just wanted me to throw him a heal before we started so that some skill of his would trigger a shield. Sadly he ended up being a bit rude about the whole thing.

[Naliee]

A1 spam. Went as my DRK knight.

I asked the DRK if he'd like me to supertank or if he wanted to for Faust. He offered to tank.


He didn't pick it up.

by the time second add came out, I had popped Grit and started picking it up with Unleash. When I asked him why he wasn't picking them up, he simply said "Oh you want me to do both our jobs? No thanks, I get enough of that in real life."

I probably would've asked what he does for living then. xD

Anyway, other tank probably should've asked what you meant by supertanking or you could've told him that "ok grab them all and I do dps." All could've been solved with simple communication.

[Aldora]

This whole "supertank" business reminds me of that time in the Library (I think) where a paladin, before the first boss, asked me to "single heal" him. I had no idea what he was talking about, I thought he was referring to some strategy to heal only him and ignore the rest of the party. O_o As it turns out he just wanted me to throw him a heal before we started so that some skill of his would trigger a shield. Sadly he ended up being a bit rude about the whole thing.

He was most likely referring to an ability called “Divine Veil”. It’s an ability which will cast a protective barrier on nearby party members when the Paladin is being healed with a Healing Spell (not an Healing ability like Benediction, Assize, etc). The barrier prevents damage up to 10% of the Paladin’s maximum HP.

If you see an animation like the one below, the Paladin has used this “Divine Veil” ability.



Upon using this ability, a buff will be added to the Paladin’s party bar, displaying a blue icon with a shield/barrier “reflecting”/blocking a projectile. If a healer doesn’t know about this ability, it’s easy missable, but a Paladin would most likely use this ability just before the boss executes an arena wide AoE.

However, the Paladin didn’t have to be rude about it afterwards.

[KaitlanKela]

I probably would've asked what he does for living then. xD

Anyway, other tank probably should've asked what you meant by supertanking or you could've told him that "ok grab them all and I do dps." All could've been solved with simple communication.

This.

This whole mess was a communication/expectation issue on both parties. I think the other tank handled it poorly: he agreed to something that he had know idea what to do, and then proceeded to get mad at OP when OP acted on his understanding.

But there was also an expectation that people are familiar with terminology and the most efficient strategy in a DF group, which also probably was unwise.

I think we all learned something here...carry on.

[Malicewolf]

This whole "supertank" business reminds me of that time in the Library (I think) where a paladin, before the first boss, asked me to "single heal" him. I had no idea what he was talking about, I thought he was referring to some strategy to heal only him and ignore the rest of the party. O_o As it turns out he just wanted me to throw him a heal before we started so that some skill of his would trigger a shield. Sadly he ended up being a bit rude about the whole thing.

xD I REALLY hope that this wasn't me... I always pop Divine Veil before a boss. Unfortunately, the range on this skill is rather short (15 yalms), so it's hit or miss trying to pop it during the middle of a fight, especially if it's with casters in DF. As stated though, it's great because it's basically a stoneskin, except, everyone gets one for 30s that's as strong as mine (as it's gives 10% based on the tanks hp instead of the user). Sometimes it goes unused even when popped, but who doesn't like more mitigation?

If it was me though, my Divine Veil is a macro and will always say in party chat, "Using Divine Veil. Please heal me to activate." I never get try to get actually rude, but there's 30 seconds to activate this skill and I'm holding the pull waiting for it to be activated. If the healer doesn't read my party chat macro within 10 seconds, I assume it somehow pushed it out of your chat box and you didn't see, so I will then manually ask for a heal. If I still don't see a heal action in 5-10 seconds, I will then likely start doing the poke emote on you. And if you completely fail to use it, I will likely make a "=_=" face and start the pull anyways. Then will ask after. But I fear that this incident may have been me as I had a situation like this recently in the Library (maybe 2 days ago?). The only reason I would get even slightly rude is because I made numerous attempts to get your attention and did everything I could to communicate what I wanted within a 30 second time frame that was ignored. But if this was me... then what you took as rude would of been me saying "healer, next time please heal me when you see divine veil as it pops a shield ^^"

I really hope it wasn't me though... ._.

Huh? This has nothing to do with the adds at Faust as the MT picks them up and just holds them.

Solo tanking Titan EX has been a thing since long before unsyncing was a thing.

First part I was answering a specific question (which was why bother having an OT grab adds). The POINT is to keep the squishy healers safe and allow them to do their job without interruption. It was't an answer to specifically reference Faust, but a general answer to all adds on any boss fight.

As for solo tanking TitanEx; I'm glad you and other's can do so. I unfortunately cannot as I am not fully eso geared. Even at ilvl 183 and knowing the fight pretty well, I still have difficulty. Likely a good part of this is due to the fact that I am a STR tank that doesn't have eso gear (so basically, my hp is is lower). So taking on more than titan himself is askin a bit much on my specific character.