Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Eidolon]

Having never heard the term Supertank until moments ago, I find that it's fairly obvious what it means in the context of Faust. That said, if I was unsure, I'd ask. I wouldn't just assume (s)he means tanking normally.

I never understand why people want OT to grab adds away, it's like purposely slowing the run down for no reason and makes healing more difficult (and consequently reduces healer DPS as well as OT DPS).



lol

110% this. 1100% this. Holy hell. Thank you for understanding.


I don't mind if someone asks me what it means, or likewise asks me to do it (Because I offer in the same braeth that I ask to do it because I know I can do it on any of my tanks.) What I mind is when an attitude turns haughty and becomes "oh you want me to do both our jobs? No thanks, I get enough of that in real life" specifically after offering to do it myself but leaving it out there that they can do it if they prefer.

Some tanks want to do all the tanking. Some tanks want to DPS. I leave that option open and offer.

[KaitlanKela]

Another dramafest which could have been avoided by proper communication.

Seriously just make your expectations plain on both sides. Although, in this particular case I'm inclined to agree that the MT shouldn't have agreed to something when he clearly had no clue what it meant.

[Malicewolf]

Having never heard the term Supertank until moments ago, I find that it's fairly obvious what it means in the context of Faust. That said, if I was unsure, I'd ask. I wouldn't just assume (s)he means tanking normally.

I made the same assumption based on the situation, however, that's from being OUT of the dungeon and in context of the complaint. Being in the dungeon and automatically assuming Eidolon meant for him to MT isn't a farfetched idea. If I assumed I knew the context (that he was asking if I wanted to MT) I wouldn't ask him what "Super Tanking" is. I'd simply say, "sure I got it" and proceed to MT (which is probably exactly what the person did). When Eidolon made his comment in game however, it would of dawned on me what he actually meant, but honestly, not before. It's only because we're looking at it from an outside perspective. The only real contempt towards Eidolon here is the fact that he's calling the other tank an idiot for this. Yes, we understand he didn't respond very nicely, but making assumptions that everyone knows all the community based terminology (especially this one) then go to name calling is also a bit much. We understand the frustration part, but it seems like even a majority here have not heard of "super tanking" as a commonly used term. My static healer lets my hp drop to 10% for the limit break boost and calls it "edging". I don't automatically expect every player I meet to know what I mean when I say edging. But most could probably pick up on what I meant in the context.

I never understand why people want OT to grab adds away, it's like purposely slowing the run down for no reason and makes healing more difficult (and consequently reduces healer DPS as well as OT DPS).

As for the 2nd part, that would be so the healers don't die due to DPS not grabbing enough hate quick enough or burning quick enough. It only takes a little bit of time of a healer getting beaten to the face with no one noticing for him to end up grabbing enormous amounts of enmity because now he has to heal himself and the tank and more than likely, start using AoE cures such as medica II or cure III. Not to mention, healer's casts can be interrupted or gob forbid they have to move to avoid an AoE from an add. Hence, OT that can very quickly grab the hate and take the dmg instead. If anything, it's easier for the OT to just grab and hold and let the DPS continue trucking away at the boss. The only problem with this is that you end up stretching the healers thin now as they have to heavily heal 2 tanks. So end story, it's much more efficient to just burn the adds quickly and get back to pommeling the boss's face after.

Now this notion of "super tanking" is indeed a good way to offset this issue. The problem however lies in whether or not the tank can actually withstand the amount of incoming dmg as now he's essentially taking on dmg that should be spread between 2 tanks. If both healer's don't realize this is happening, I can see this turning into a bad situation quickly.

Like I wouldn't want to "super tank" TitanEx (sync'd that is). I have enough trouble with Titan punching my face in. I don't really want/need his adds to help, especially with how much the healer's have to move and dodge as it is already. It would only take 1 bad circumstance of both healer's having to avoid WotL for me to go down with the amount of incoming damage I'd be taking.

[Kaurie]

I made the same assumption based on the situation, however, that's from being OUT of the dungeon and in context of the complaint. Being in the dungeon and automatically assuming Eidolon meant for him to MT isn't a farfetched idea. If I assumed I knew the context (that he was asking if I wanted to MT) I wouldn't ask him what "Super Tanking" is. I'd simply say, "sure I got it" and proceed to MT (which is probably exactly what the person did). When Eidolon made his comment in game however, it would of dawned on me what he actually meant, but honestly, not before. It's only because we're looking at it from an outside perspective. The only real contempt towards Eidolon here is the fact that he's calling the other tank an idiot for this. We understand the frustration part, but it seems like even a majority here have not heard of "super tanking" as a commonly used term.

Yeah, I mean I guess I can understand that. I may just assume it's obvious, because the method of MT grabbing everything is my preferred method. In this case, if someone said Supertank, it would be reinforcing my idea of what should happen. That said, if a new term comes in, I'd probably ask what it means if I am being asked to do something. Like if I went in and a SCH asked me the WHM "Hey are you good to Super heal?" I'd be like, "what do you mean, super heal?".

I tend to call people idiots to my FC/LS in frustration, but I tend to not say things to them. In this case, he is ranting on the forum, so I can relate to that. I think the other tanks response of "you want me to do both our jobs" is a pretty ridiculous statement and shows a lack of actual interest in working together. It's a rather ironic statement in that sense.

As for the 2nd part, that would be so the healers don't die due to DPS not grabbing enough hate quick enough or burning quick enough. Not to mention, healer's casts can be interrupted or gob forbid they have to move to avoid an AoE from an add. Hence, OT that can very quickly grab the hate and take the dmg instead. If anything, it's easier for the OT to just grab and hold and let the DPS continue trucking away at the boss. The only problem with this is that you end up stretching the healers thin now as they have to heavily heal 2 tanks. So end story, it's much more efficient to just burn the adds quickly and get back to pommeling the boss's face after.

Now this notion of "super tanking" is indeed a good way to offset this issue. The problem however lies in whether or not the tank can actually withstand the amount of incoming dmg as now he's essentially taking on dmg that should be spread between 2 tanks. If both healer's don't realize this is happening, I can see this turning into a bad situation quickly.

Like I wouldn't want to "super tank" TitanEx. I have enough trouble with Titan punching my face in. I don't really want/need his adds to help, especially with how much the healer's have to move and dodge as it is already. It would only take 1 bad circumstance of both healer's having to avoid WotL for me to go down with the amount of incoming damage I'd be taking.

I just finished up my SMN relic and did a bunch of Alex 1 runs to clear it. I did the majority of these with my WHM for two reasons, I prefer to heal that fight and I get faster queue times . I can tell you that my job was significantly easier when one tank took everything than the tanks splitting it up. I was able to put out nearly double the DPS and had a much easier time healing. Having the tanks split the damage caused me to use up to 4x the cooldowns necessary (i.e. pop out of cleric stance and I'd regen/tetra 1x GCD the MT and pop back in vs pop out of cleric regen/cure main regen/cure ot = 4x GCD). The damage they take is pretty low, so one tank can handle it pretty easily.

Basically we could have both heals doing ~600 dps and the OT doing 1k DPS on Faust, or we could have both heals doing 300 DPS and the OT doing 400 on faust (starts on faust and moves away). Over 1.5 minutes (or whatever it takes, varies..) That's the difference of 1200 DPS x 90 s or 108,000 damage.

[EA9Sol]

In all fairness, the MRD could have been 30 or synched 30, and someone in the party would be able to tell that. I kinda assumed this was the case and OP just didn't explicitly state it. Most of the story wouldn't make sense if it was a level 28/29 MRD

lol ^^;; Yeah, the MRD was leveled synced. Sorry the confusion.

[Malicewolf]

I can tell you that my job was significantly easier when one tank took everything than the tanks splitting it up. I was able to put out nearly double the DPS and had a much easier time healing. Having the tanks split the damage caused me to use up to 4x the cooldowns necessary (i.e. pop out of cleric stance and I'd regen/tetra 1x GCD the MT and pop back in vs pop out of cleric regen/cure main regen/cure ot = 4x GCD). The damage they take is pretty low, so one tank can handle it pretty easily.

Basically we could have both heals doing ~600 dps and the OT doing 1k DPS on Faust, or we could have both heals doing 300 DPS and the OT doing 400 on faust (starts on faust and moves away). Over 1.5 minutes (or whatever it takes, varies..) That's the difference of 1200 DPS x 90 s or 108,000 damage.

It may simply be because my FC has a lot of healers, so I almost never go into anything without 2 healers I know for harder content. With this being the case, we're often in chats together and the healer's will simply take 1 tank each to watch over to keep things simple (but will call out for help if needed). It's always easier when you only have to focus on 1 thing ^^

[Bebekurenai]

Why not just call it solotank then? Like soloheals? Why add more confusion about it? If there is already a term for the same thing, why add something new that is actually more confusing than what the term really is? There is absolutely no confusion if a healer asks me if I'm ok to soloheal, but if he would say "Superheal" I would be like "o_O wat? Is it a bird? Is it a plane?"! Whenever I saw tanks deciding about solotanking there was no doubt about it. But go and introduce Supertank and hell goes loose, and unnecessarily.

[Heliantheae]

You'd be surprised. I was in Haukke yesterday and someone asked the 29 THM why he didn't have his job stone on

*Raises hand* I was healing Haukke Manor once and asked a Gladiator why he wasn't a Paladin and was met with three "I'm/He's 28." We had a good laugh about it.

[Aenti]

Story 1:
Was queuing lvl 50 roulette as dps very late at night. It took about 20mins to pop up. At start the group just stands there at beginning... then tank and the other dps say they chose the wrong dungeon. We'll have to disband and they say they're sorry, just need to wait the timer to go down so we can disband.
So okay, that happens sometimes. I asked them to kick me in that case, since I'll have to wait for another 20min... nothing happens. Ok... then prompts up a request to kick the tank. I'm just staring at the screen like ... really?

(the kind healer kicked me out after those two though <3 )

Story 2:
Happened just now, was in daily leveling dungeon as lvl 58 scholar. Got copperbell mines. Tank asks me to "just stick to healing". Being the polite person that I am, I put my chara on /follow, let eos do the healing and tabbed out reading manga on the side, tabbing in to help at boss fights.

[Ashkendor]

I asked the DRK if he'd like me to supertank or if he wanted to for Faust. He offered to tank.

To be fair, I wouldn't have known what you meant by "supertank" either, but I would've asked.

I just tell people I'll solo tank it.

by the time second add came out, I had popped Grit and started picking it up with Unleash. When I asked him why he wasn't picking them up, he simply said "Oh you want me to do both our jobs? No thanks, I get enough of that in real life."

On the other hand, this is kind of dumb. I don't get why people want to split up the tanking on Faust in the first place. It turns it into an absolute mess. Just have one tank pick everything up, let the other tank go ham. It also lets the healers DPS more.

Also for everyone else here you failed at doing your job, not him.

Again, I really don't see why people do MT/OT for Faust. Maybe it's because I tank it in Savage as well as in Normal, but I pretty clearly see this as a solo tank fight the same as the Avatar in T8 and Nael in T9. There were adds to pick up in both of those too but a single tank handled it just fine (and solo was indeed the preferred method of tanking those fights). He didn't fail at doing his job, he was simply suggesting the most efficient way to tank that particular fight and the person he was in there with chose to take offense to that for some reason. Also of note, the person you're replying to offered to be the one to pick everything up.

As for the 2nd part, that would be so the healers don't die due to DPS not grabbing enough hate quick enough or burning quick enough.

Huh? This has nothing to do with the adds at Faust as the MT picks them up and just holds them.

Now this notion of "super tanking" is indeed a good way to offset this issue. The problem however lies in whether or not the tank can actually withstand the amount of incoming dmg as now he's essentially taking on dmg that should be spread between 2 tanks. If both healer's don't realize this is happening, I can see this turning into a bad situation quickly.

There was some pretty wicked spike damage in T8 when a dread would come up, but that's what cooldowns are for.

Like I wouldn't want to "super tank" TitanEx (sync'd that is). I have enough trouble with Titan punching my face in. I don't really want/need his adds to help, especially with how much the healer's have to move and dodge as it is already. It would only take 1 bad circumstance of both healer's having to avoid WotL for me to go down with the amount of incoming damage I'd be taking.

Solo tanking Titan EX has been a thing since long before unsyncing was a thing. Even when we were at level 50, with the extra DPS slot you can burn him fast enough that the MT doesn't pick up a bunch of stacks. You still have a tank picking up the adds, it just happens to be the MT instead of the OT. The adds don't even hit hard and the tank shouldn't have stacks at that point anyway as it's right after the heart phase. Really the biggest worry is one of them Landsliding your tank off the edge.