The arrogance of some people

[AlphaFox]

Ill just say this as this is getting a little big for my liking, I'll change my stance on the matter and just make sure the healer has no choice but to heal the entire time. However we tanks and dps know all to well that when your doing a dungeon to your best and for the 50th time you can feel when it slows down and when it speeds up thanks to the healers added dps or lack of. With that said though I refuse to commend any healer who would rather dance and run around me like they are telling us to hurry up.

[Waliel]

Few posts about WoW.

What I remember from my healing days in WoW, the damage was much more consistent instead of "big hit, 20 seconds of nothing, big hit" and auto-attacks actually did some damage. I think some attacks also had a short cooldown and the bosses used them semi-randomly and more often -- mainly cleaves and such.

Hi Hulv.

[Ossom]

Can't complain about how slow a dungeon is going if you aren't willing to help DPS.

Tanks do DPS, so why can't healers?

[Reinha]

1) Yes, he SHOULD use Trick Attack.
2) Mantra is useful, but optional.
3) Part of his role is to support the group.
4) Most of their abilities are focused around the cards.

So, yeah, from a WHM perspective, should I heal? Of course. Should I dps? It's optional. In that case, why does no one ever ask why a NIN isn't using Mantra? Hmmm!

Actually, AST has 4 abilities revolving around cards (and 2 buffs which interact with the cards but also interact with hots). In comparison, they have 5 damage moves of their own + Aero and CS from WHM. Even the healer with the least damage potential has more tools for dps than for the unique mechanic of the job. The reason AST should be using cards is not because "most of their abilities are focused around the cards". It's because it helps the group! Any healer who is capable but not willing to dps is no better than an AST who doesn't use cards. Call it what you wish.

I see you also made a special case of BRD, saying that his role includes more things than what the big DPS icon indicates. Is it because of the job quests? Or is it because those abilities exist and are beneficial? Well, either logic applies to WHM doing dps. Not only do we fix Sylphie's attitude but E-Sumi-Yan also repeats the lesson when wrapping up the CNJ quests, as shown by the sceenshots ITT. Expecting one job to do more than their role in a dungeon but giving a free pass to another is a bit unfair, don't you think?

[Belhi]

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

Most NIN I have run with rarely bother with managing others threat and TP, usually because its completely unneccesary. We are talking about DF Expert roulette. Hell, you rarely have fights go long enough for people to run out of TP.

Almost all the time dps just need to dps. Its incredibly rare I see dps bother with their utility abilities. Even SMN rarely bother with Virus and its not even on the GCD.

[Verius_Nox]

If your a summoner or blackmage and see the tank dropping and the healer struggling, then sure, why not? I do it all the time, may not be the MOST effective, but a little heals will assist in keeping that tank up.

That 300 heal physick isn't saving anybody.

If it isn't raiding, I don't necessarily care if the healer isn't DPSing. If DPS checks aren't being met in expert dungeons, there's more problems than just the healer not tossing some DoT's. Otherwise, who cares? The dungeon takes a couple minutes longer than what you want, boohoo.

[Belhi]

That 300 heal physick isn't saving anybody.

If it isn't raiding, I don't necessarily care if the healer isn't DPSing. If DPS checks aren't being met in expert dungeons, there's more problems than just the healer not tossing some DoT's. Otherwise, who cares? The dungeon takes a couple minutes longer than what you want, boohoo.

This is my thought. In a DF roulette it is rarely worth the bother of making an issue out of it.

[SlyTribal]

People seem to still be forgetting the main point in Healer DPS. It's in their down time. Where it's either.... They sit down, jump around, emote, run off to get the treasure chest which could be opened later, laugh at the people still actually contributing, or they actually contribute themselves and DPS until a heal is needed. NEVER DPS while heals are needed, but do DPS when they aren't. That is the main point of it, and people keep forgetting that as pages move on.

A healer not DPSing in their down time is a Tank standing perfectly still, back to mobs while he has hate, a Brd either only DPSing while mages are out of MP, other DDs are out of TP or not DPSing at all and only playing songs as they only want to play the 'bard' side of it, not the archer. Also the same as other DDs not using any of their support abilities or self heals, standing in AoEs as they could hinder the deeps being put out, or rather only using Ice spells because they don't want to be a Fire Mage. It's all the same, they are still doing their roles to an extent, but they aren't doing a good job at it. A healer is there to keep the party alive, so heal when people are weak, and help kill things faster, as that helps keep people alive too.

[Atoli]

Some people just don't feel comfortable DPSing and that doesn't make them bad at the game they just prefer keeping within their role which is healing.
Most people picked HEALER to HEAL, If they wanted to do DPS they would pick DPS.

I just don't feel comfortable using my more complicated and stressful 3.0 BLM rotation,
but it doesn't make me bad that I stick to just throwing Fire I at monsters instead of using the full potential of the class with Enochian and Fire IV
I just prefer the easy rotation, ok? It doesn't make me bad!
I picked BLM because the rotation was easy, if I wanted to put in more effort I would have picked a melee class.

...see the problem with this logic?
By no means do I want to force anyone to play something they are not comfortable with. It's a game, after all. But the ones who defend healers not doing anything but throwing the occasional Cure at the tank, are usually the same people who won't shut up about how much other roles suck for NOT doing things that are completely optional too, like moving out of AoEs, using defensive cooldowns, combos or supportive abilities. Look no further than last page to find those hypocrites. Or the OP, for that matter:
He complains about the SMN not avoiding the gaze attack, he complains about both DPS' dmg (at the 40 minute mark! even though it's "fine" as long as the dmg is enough to finish the dungeon in 90 minutes, if we are going by the logic that everything is fine as long as things still work out in the end, which is an argument used time and again to defend that healers do not have to dps as long as the dungeon can be cleared without them doing it), basically because both DPS players didn't do their fullest to make the run fast and unproblematic.
Yet he himself refuses to bring all his class has to offer to the table.
Why should healers get a free pass?
If you want to slack off in non-endgame content, that's fine. I won't like you for doing it, you won't get any commendations and if you ALSO fail at healing additionally (which the OP did as well), I might even speak out about it, but yes, you are free to do so.
But please stop deluding yourself (not you, Remus, just people with this mindset in general) and making excuses for why it is okay for you to be lazy and not okay for others.
Because it isn't.

[Belhi]

In the end its not going to change anything. If a healer doesn't want to dps, its not like you can make them dps. Your options are bailing from the group, Vote Dismissing the healer and waiting around for a replacement or just rolling with it. Is it really worth getting upset about?