Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Frederick22]

Incorrect.

First thing first are you consider a good player? Since I see on this thread people likes to frame orthers by using logs. How can I be sure you are good casual player? that you havent get critisices that you took bad or good?
My apologies but I cant take what you said seriously, I dont know you. How can I know you are just doing this to bother, beacuse you cant accept that you might not play good and you dont want to get corrected?

Second, what Pinkie saind and I totaly agreed, is thatwe can easely learn all jobs. If a persons is decent and capable, it can all be done my himself.
If you play the game slowly, if you have dummies, if you do your jobs quests correctly and slowly, if tests your skills, if you practise on dungeons/trails, if you accept your mistakes, if you take advice, if you search and loog for rotation guides, doing all this a player can become decent at his job. So yes the only thing that doesnt let you become a good player is yourselfs. Most players fail and arent good beacause they skip most of this things are pointed, beacuse they didnt notice, are lazy or dont even care.

I dont say that eveyone can become good by themselfs, sure some people will need more help and advice. But is more than clear than most of us can learn job to play by yourselfs.

Again I'm not talking about transforming all of us into hardcore players. Only into normal players that play their job normaly.

Again sorry, I won't ever even speak about this again, even if people are afk auto attacking, I have no right to say anything like you said or anyone else said to me for I am not a great dps, i'm just like them it seems, ones that afk dps or don't try even if I do my very best.
Again, I'm sorry.

Just ignore. Dont say sorry. You are giving them what they want.

Pinkie, I feel bad for you due to how the post turned out. But please see it from our perspectives.

As a DPS myself, I tried healing, and I struggle with some content. I can tank a little, but not all content. I can also learn a fight faster as a dps, in this case, NIN. I think your perspective is set this way because it sound like you play all roles equally, so you expect others to play that role the same. Being a dps main, topics like this offends many of us, and most of the community are dominantly dps players. There's always going to be complaints in any role.

- The tank lost aggro on a pull; he's bad or lazy.
- The healer tossed one Stone too many and couldn't get Benediction off; he's bad or lazy.
- The tank is wearing VIT accessories in a dungeon; he's lazy.
- The DRG used Jump at the wrong time, so he got caught in the AoE; he's bad because he don't know the enemy.

These things list are considered mistakes at times. "The NIN is 6 on the hate list." Why? Because the tank set his pull macro for 20 seconds, but he pulled at 10 seconds. Mudras wasn't ready. Used Shadewalker on the tank. Had to get in melee range. Those three things happened while those who normally play with that tank knew he was pulling at 10 and were already prepared.

Think about this:

Someone who fulltimes a DPS may not always give 100% depending on the content. Some of us get "lazy" to the point where we only mainly use our heavy-hitters on the trash instead of full rotations. This may or may not include dots. If you're performing YOUR best, they might be performing THEIR best. YOUR best shouldn't include watching if I'm keeping up Huton, or question why I use Kassatsu + Doton on grouped mobs.

Personally, I just don't care how most people play. The dps complaints mostly stem from Raid content, then that mentality is brought over to lesser content like dungeons. Many people who don't Raid do not Raid for a reason, and they care less about what others say about how they play in lesser content. I do not Raid myself, so when I go DF or PF for a dungeon or something, and they start questioning why my NIN is doing 1179 dps versus 1300 dps, I still remain quiet, because if I just do a /sit, then I'm doing 0 damage, and that'll REALLY give them something to get mad about.

Or, I could suggest to them that I can leave and they find a replacement. Sometimes, that gets them upset, too, because now that got to wait an hour for the PF to fill again. And guess what? Waiting around doing nothing grants you zero dps anyway. I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS stress if people have issues with how others play, then they should stick with their group instead of pugging.

Thank you so much for your comment, thats is part of what I tried to say. I agree with comment, we can ignore on how people play most of the time, and sometimes give a little help or a guide.
But if we meet with someone who has none experience or is only auto atacking or being carried/trolling in content of lvl51+, tell me how can we ignore that? Wasnt that the point of Pinki's thread?
To make everyone clear a difference between this 2 kinds of low players?

[Jim_Berry]

Thank you so much for your comment, thats is part of what I tried to say. I agree with comment, we can ignore on how people play most of the time, and sometimes give a little help or a guide.
But if we meet with someone who has none experience or is only auto atacking or being carried/trolling in content of lvl51+, tell me how can we ignore that? Wasnt that the point of Pinki's thread?
To make everyone clear a difference between this 2 kinds of low players?

Well, obviously, we can't ignore trolls; I don't. But if there's someone who has no experience, they should be offered help. Pet peeve is when someone is new, and we get to a boss, I stand outside the room to explain. Sadly, some tanks, or dps, would still pull while I'm typing. In this event, I still explain the battle even know I'm about to be locked out. If they can 3-man it with the new person, cool... If not, they should learn to wait until everyone is in the room.

We all played long enough to know NOT to start a boss battle when a member, who's been active the entire time, all of a sudden stop moving outside the room.