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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogaea View Post
    Wow, extremist much? If I asked for magiteks a long time ago you'd most likely respond with, "Oh, lets add a futuristic city and laser swords with galactic wars like gundam while we're at it!"....lol yeah srry, cant get over the fact that you said goblin highway, what even. Anyways, who'd talking about WoW? Is this Wow? No, its FFXIV and we have goblins who make fuel engine machines. So again, Goblins.

    Cheesy...I wonder if you even played half of FFXIVs content. Most of it is cheesy fan service. The Gold Saucer is the cheesiest thing I seen ever, yet people love it, me included. Hildabrand, Lightning event, dragonquest, FF6 music on a magitek mount, special characters from other final fantasy games in the main story line. Yeah, cheesiness is not an issue in this game.
    If you want to explain it away with Goblin tech that's fine, as long as the bike reflects the goblin aesthetic. If it looks like something from FF7, then my answer would remain no.

    To other people in the thread: If your statement is Allagan tech, who would be the driving mind behind it? Cid? He was having some issues in figuring out how to open doors in CT, let alone wrapping his mind around complex Allagan machinery.

    You can say Garlean Tech... As much as it pains me to say, I suppose it could be the Garlean counter to the Mana Cutter. Still wouldn't like it though.. =P
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    i am resurrecting this thread because, well now that the flying turtle has been shown off this kinda gets rid of the 'ruins immersion' people since well if your ok with a flying spinning turtle (which is a reference to a good old franchise that is still going to this day ) then you guys should be ok with a bike since you know it is far less mind boggling to have this contraption into the game, but i am waiting for people to say about how this is stupid and yet justify the flying turtle who is propelled around by 'fart gas' (said by a friend of mine). so, please SE give us the bike please D: we love the idea of a bike mount it doesn't have to be from ff7, but it can be based a viable to go among the mounts like the magitek and manacutter a machine to ride on instead of another pony or chocobo
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    Quote Originally Posted by DracotheDragon View Post
    i am resurrecting this thread because, well now that the flying turtle has been shown off this kinda gets rid of the 'ruins immersion' people since well if your ok with a flying spinning turtle
    I'm still here and I still think the bike and the turtle are silly and something I would prefer to not see. So my opinion remains the same.

    No thank you.
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    I don't care too much for the Bike but its faaaaar less silly than what was just announced. Heck it can even gain Mechanical Wings that fold out when flying...and it would still fit way more than that thing I saw in the New Years Greeting. The argument of things not fitting the theme/world/era etc has just been shat on and can no longer be used.
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    Yeah, the bike is much less jarring than the flying turtle. The bike, at least, can be written off as being related to Garlemald or Allag. Eorzea is only one part of Hydaelyn and we already know that we're not going to remain in Eorzea forever and that Eorzea isn't the most advanced continent in all of Hydaelyn.
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    I wouldn't say it's so much a matter of believably as it is a matter aesthetic flow.

    The King Slime hat, for example, is silly and fun, but it doesn't exactly fit into the style of Eorzea. It stands out too much as an alien element in its design. You could certainly have the technology to build such a thing, but it just doesn't look like anything anyone would make here.
    The strength of a world is gestalt. How much one can perceive it as a whole. That was one of the strengths of such games like X, XI, and XII. Their worlds where vast and varied, but the technology, structures, creatures, and style all felt congruent. You can't just throw everything at the wall and hope it sticks.

    A big problem (aside form the slow speed) is in that a motorcycle represents a modern style that doesn't really mesh well with the more classical world we have. This world is far more World of Balance from FF6 than it is Gaia from FF7. You could hand wave it as technology from the Garleans or Allagans, but nothing about those suggest they would build anything like it as Garleans tech is mostly airships, walking mechs, and factories while the Allagans seem to have just teleported everywhere. And in the end, it still comes off as a forced appeal to cool beyond the aesthetic of the world. Shoehorned in as an awkward appeal to FF7 fans.
    Wheeled technology here is limited to pulled carriages and carts of wood and steel. A jump to motorcycles with large rubber wheels seems a bit heavy when we don't even have cars, even though we have walking mechanical monstrosities and airships. Making a brighter lightbulb won't necessarily make a longer ladder.

    Maybe if you replaced the wheels with mechanical feet? It sounds weird, but at least it would mesh better with what we got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    snip.
    see i do agree that the athstetic doesn't fit eorzea itself, and the idea of a weird legged bike kinda sounds interesting but this is the counter, the world is much bigger then Eorzea, we know of a massive continent to the west that we don't know the name off (thanks to the world and it's texture at the end of 3.0) and we know of garlamald a large nation to the east with many more nations and lands beyond that, while eorzea may seem primitive and utilising magic, we don't know what the other nations of the world truly are besides the ancient allag who were highly technological, the garlians who are currently technological and even the goblin beast tribe which is primitive but utilises a form of automotive and generic based engine, and we know they can utilise the simple concept of a combustion engine since there is cerillium, also rubber is in the world as well, but even then it could be propelled on steel wheels. theres a lot in the world of Hydolyin, that can explain beyond the reaches of eorzea. not only this but the difference in ways it could be developed can also explain the slow speed showing that such technologies art focused on so they make them to be lazy or to pull heavy objects without animals. not only all this, but as i said, we don't know of the world beyond garlamald nor some of the ancient civilisations, we do know that eorzea is heavily magically adapt, but the rest of the world isn't, since the well spring of aether is in mor dhona. so for all we can tell the sandy continent to the southwest, could use bikes with cog wheels to travel in the sands. (this continent was mentioned during the 1st anaversry)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DracotheDragon View Post
    the world is much bigger then Eorzea, we know of a massive continent to the west that we don't know the name off
    True as that is, I wouldn't be so keen as to add in a nation just for the sake of motor bikes. Final Fantasy typically has themes of technology vs nature with nature being the force of light, and technology being a corruptive force that leads the hearts of men to darkness. Having more than one land with high technology seems a bit contrived in this case. Especially if that technology leads to better transportation, and yet no one from any nation we've met has ever spoken of them.
    Final point being, it would need a lot of work before it seems like it would mesh comfortably with our world.

    How about we start with a motorized steel penny-farthing and work our way from there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    How about we start with a motorized steel penny-farthing and work our way from there?

    see thats penny farthing is what i am after something that is a bike or technology but not ultra advance like the ff7 bike even if it is a primitive push bike or a very basic engine to make it go slow shows a bit of diversity in the mounts as well as eorzea's new steam powered works in ishgard :3

    i say several times the idea is just of a bike based mount not the ff7 spisificly :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    I'm still here and I still think the bike and the turtle are silly and something I would prefer to not see. So my opinion remains the same.

    No thank you.
    This. The turtle... What is this? A cheesy low rent Godzilla movie?

    Still no- to both.

    Of course at this point, I have zero confidence in the dev team maintaining any kind of seriousness to this world, so I guess it doesn't matter. Turn it into a kiddie game, I don't care.
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