Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I guess that mage spamming fire 3 blizzard 3 is the most optimal way of possible to maximize their dps. I guess that dps using his afk macro dps skills is optimal for that void ark raid or better yet, afk auto attacking. My tanking and acknowledgement of strength vs vit has nothing to do with dps being lazy in this thread.

Yes, because that is what my post insinuated. It's not like STR tanking has been proven so efficient that it's getting patched or anything. So of course it's comparable to an ice mage.

[Houston009]

TL;DR - OP pulling barely subpar dps him/herself meets a woefully bad dps.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

ITT: A bad DPS tries to call out other bad DPS while remaining woefully unaware of the hypocrisy.

Nothing new on the forums.

[ChandraNoctis]

Yes but the OP has REASONS for bad DPS (common things like being dead, bad gear etc) whereas no one else from the df could possibly have reasons nearly as important....

OPs reasons count - everyone else just has excuses...

[cgbspender]

For every reply I post in these forums, I should deserve a +1 stat, customizable to whatever stat I want.

[Ashkendor]

Too easy, just too easy. one, I was MT'ing *every single clear* listed (which doesn't tell you that) two, I was wasn't wearing *full strength* like every other warrior out there, i'm a *vit* warrior(you know, the tanks that wear health) and I wasn't sitting in dps stance tanking thordin in full strength like every other warrior, 4, I don't have tons of gil to make or buy melded accessories to min/max my tanking.

Erm. Your WAR parses are below some of my PLD parses. I MT and only leave Shield Oath when nothing is hitting me (Zephirin's first appearance and meteor phase). Even given that you're full VIT (I wear pentamelds because I find that full Slaying leaves me with uncomfortably low HP and puts stress on the healers), with the tools WAR has to maximize damage you should be higher.

Again, you are just picking out the piece to use something for fire. The numbers you are pulling don't even tell the event of the fight let alone the deaths involved, but keep on thinking those logs the ends to the means of all evidence that happened those days to counter claim and prove your point.

The fact of the matter is, you made some very elitist statements pertaining to other DPS players in your original post. You claimed that you can just pick up a DPS class and maximize its potential, and further stated that it's easy to do so. I mean... seriously? I feel that I'm pretty decent as a monk, but I won't come running to the official forums basically claiming to be the Queen of Monks and that I can poop out maximum DPS on it. I think you're confusing "I know my rotation and am passably competent on the class," with "I know how to fully maximize DPS." Anyone that reads tooltips and takes the time to figure out how the skills fit together on the most basic level can be passably competent at a class. Maximizing DPS takes time, practice, and gear.

Some logs have been posted that provided some evidence to refute your claim, but instead of countering with evidence of your own (maybe there's more logs that you can upload where you're performing better?) you're making excuses why the logs that were posted shouldn't be admissible, as it were. I don't see how "I died," "I'm not very well geared," or "I was being carried" are valid excuses for bad DPS when you're making a claim like that though. Not getting yourself killed is part of maximizing DPS. Gearing properly is part of maximizing DPS. It should go without saying that if you're maximizing your DPS, you are pulling your own weight.

I have to agree with the poster a couple of pages ago that mentioned glass houses and stones.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

. By that time, the devs expect for you to know your class.

So know your class? It takes all of ten seconds to open up your actions tab and look over your skills. Even if you refuse to use any guides, it takes all of 3 minutes to read all your actions and put together a reasonably decent rotation. Fine tuning would need to be done but the basics would at least be done.

[Skivvy]

Well what would life be without reruns?

This is the equivalent of looking for something good to watch on TV, and finding only re-runs of Jerry Springer.

[Stormfur]

Here's a fine example. I play a Dragoon and I love it. But nowhere in the skills/actions/job traits does it teach you anything about double-weaving your global cooldown skills with your oGCD skills in order to really push your DPS. It teaches you nothing about rotation nor cross class skills that would help. So you get into this pattern of pushing buttons with the outlined square thinking that's what the game wants you to do to maximize your DPS, and you end up doing WORSE as a result.

[Warlyx]

this thread is porcorn worthy .....