Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[DarkB]

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

Because grabbing a parser, going for 3 minutes online to find a rotation for your job, logging into game > going to a dummy and try it out is mindblowing hard right?
There is a crapton of information out there on any class. go to google.com and type "your class" xiv rotation. Done. wow that hard?
Thats how you start learning, but the aforementioned people dont even do this. and it is unexcusable. its just being lazy. No one asks you to be top dps on ur server, but there is a minimum where you shouldnt drop off, and not using ur class properly despite high or low dps (dots and skills) is just a plain synthom of Lazyness. No ps3, no amiga, no atari, no dogs on the keyboard, no lag, nothing else.

[Pinkie_Pie]

While I have agreed with many of your posts, this one I do not. She hasn't derailed the thread, this is specifically what your thread is talking about. Why do DPS refuse to use tools provided to them to maximize their output, meanwhile as a WAR you are refusing to use the tools available to you to maximize your output.

There is an argument for VIT, which I disagree with, but that is (in part) the answer to your question of why people do not maximize their output.

PS: VIT gear doesn't make you take less damage, STR gear does.

I never said I am refusing to use strength, I said I'm one of those *vit* tanks. I use gear I need to tank for the boss base off healer gear and permission and progression, if a healer wants me having more health, I go full vit, if a healer can't keep me healed through cooldowns off the first phase, then I put on more vit, I shouldn't have to make the healers job harder just to pump out that 100 dps over that 550 dps just cause *min/maxing dps". Just because i'm not wearing full strength doesn't mean I'm failing the group and not pulling my weight, the main tank job is one, survival first, dps second, not the other way around, yoshi p is addressing that sorta mentality which I can't wait for.

Btw, strength does not effect parry anymore, parry is always a flat 20% reduction so building full strength doesn't make you take less damage and if you mean "My self heals", I can get 5k self heal without zerk and with it get 7.6k noncrit self heal soo *shrugs* and if you are talking about threat, I hold threat just fine in full vit soo *shrugs*

But like you said I guess this will answer me why dps can't maximize or at least try to do their dps cause they are refusing to wear gear for a fight

Actually no, evidence was presented to dispute the OP's claims that they were a good DPS, when in actuality, that doesn't look to be true, making this thread a hypocritical mess.

But hey, we all know you're absolutely chomping at the bit to start on the anti-parser rants again.

Crappy evidence that is broken glass with mud all over it but I guess something is better then nothing for people like you and him, I already said why but all you see is *numbers* at the end of the fight of a internet page of someone *logged* it in doing a carry of a undergeared monk just to smash me. Congrats, go pat yourself on the back and drink that beer, YOU SHOULD GOT ME!

[Kaurie]

I never said I am refusing to use strength, I said I'm one of those *vit* tanks. I use gear I need to tank for the boss base off healer gear and permission and progression, if a healer wants me having more health, I go full vit, if a healer can't keep me healed through cooldowns off the first phase, then I put on more vit, I shouldn't have to make the healers job harder just to pump out that 100 dps over that 550 dps just cause *min/maxing dps". Just because i'm not wearing full strength doesn't mean I'm failing the group and not pulling my weight, the main tank job is one, survival first, dps second, not the other way around, yoshi p is addressing that sorta mentality which I can't wait for.

Btw, strength does not effect parry anymore, parry is always a flat 20% reduction so building full strength doesn't make you take less damage and if you mean "My self heals", I can get 5k self heal without zerk and with it get 7.6k noncrit self heal soo *shrugs* and if you are talking about threat, I hold threat just fine in full vit soo *shrugs*

But like you said I guess this will answer me why dps can't maximize or at least try to do their dps cause they are refusing to wear gear for a fight

Well your reaction to their comment made it seem like you would refuse to use STR, because only elitist people require you to wear STR and you should be able to play how you see fit.

As for VIT vs STR there, you need enough VIT to handle a tank buster and anything that follows while healing to your appropriate armor levels + cooldowns. Anything above that makes the healers job harder, because you are killing things more slowly and thus taking more damage. This previous statement is why STR results in you taking less damage, not due to parry or self heals.

This particular reaction "Oh nice, another one of those "YOU NEED TO NOT WEAR FULL VIT, YOUR BAD CAUSE I R ELITIST DERP"" resulted in a loss of your credibility from my perspective.


As for the main discussion, your point is that +VIT may help you have greater survivability. Let's bring it back to the MCH you referenced in your OP. This MCH refused to use barrel, because he could put out greater DPS because he could move without cast times. It is possible that at his skill level, he found that he was unable to keep up appropriate DPS and dodge AoE's effectively. It may not be the best optimal rotation, but it's perhaps the best for him to maintain survivability and output the greatest DPS he can. (Sorry if it was a she, I didn't want to type (s)he every time). That would be similar to you and your situation, it's possible to do all this content in full STR, but at your skill level, perhaps you find you are best suited to have VIT.

[l---------------l]

is it cause they use a controller?

Using a controller here. I'm top elite DPS, and I can't be the top top top 10 of my server with all my jobs because gear.

But, yes, I understand you, totally.. It's sad to go roulette expert with my PLD that has thordan weapon and slaying accesories, right, but, it's i190 in the left side and... SURPRISE!.... MY PLD IS THE HIGHER DPS!...

Or or... go void ark... None of the DPS passes of 1000... Want to cry in a corner...

[Dejectedbunny]

I blame the current housing situation....

[LaylaTsarra]

I think they do it on purpose to keep threads like this alive on the official forums.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You can't say the game doesn't tell you how to play. It does a fairly good job at showing you how without straight up playing the game for you. Time to find a better excuse for chronic-underperformers.

Honestly, I would argue it doesn't. The game shows the bear essentials to help you through the MSQ, provided you bother to read skill descriptions, however it does not offer any means of showcasing optimal gameplay. For instance, my friend was legitimately thrilled when she reached Heavensward and had a White Mage quest that actually focused on healing instead of her DPS. As a Monk myself, I basically face tank everything in the MS with not even the slightest concern for positionals, which in any raid or dungeon setting would be utterly moronic.

A better means of progression would be to make job quests force players to actually properly utilize their job. Say for Monk, one of the quests spawns adds that automatically target Widargelt only, but take no damage whatsoever unless you hit positionals. Another quest could make it so DoTs do significantly higher damage for that fight, necessitating their use in order to win. Basically, make players do the things needed to improve without it being too daunting.

Of course, much fault still falls onto players who are simply too damn lazy to read guides or watch them on youtube.

[Xanikk999]

As far as Gauss Barrel goes, I'm prone to toggleing it on and off depending in the situation. Like If I need to DPS hard and STILL haul ass around AoEs I'll toggle it off for mobility then reactivate it when it's safe to hold still for a bit.

You know BRD and MCH can use feint, the cross class skill from lancer with Gauss Barrel/Wanderers Minuet up on the move.

[Kaiser-Ace]

You know BRD and MCH can use feint, the cross class skill from lancer with Gauss Barrel/Wanderers Minuet up on the move.

Actually, no I didn't. Thanks for the tip O_O

[Pinkie_Pie]

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I said what I had to say to defend myself from someone who kept attacking me at log numbers which BTW I was *not* asked to have up for other people to see and judge me because I wouldn't wear a full strength accessories just cause, yes, you can do *all content in full strength* and have only 20k health, but will your *healers* like you. Will your group like you? If that healer missed that heal or cooldown and you died from a tankbuster, who do they blame, *the tank* for not having a cooldown and if you said you used a cooldown, where does that lead, back to the healer which stresses them out and ends them up leaving the group. But clearly now you are bashing at my skill level for wearing vit for those *clears* with that passive-aggressive statement. I'm done talking with you now and back at the topic at hand on why dps is *lazy* on doing dps when they need to dps in dungeons.