[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[Zojha]

Sounds like a bad housing system to me. You can't blame people for taking advantage of a terrible system created by the devs. This is squarely the developer's fault.

By that logic, the players are never at fault for anything. The developers put a terrible chat system in place that allows you to say bad things to people, so obviously it's not the player's fault when they take advantage of that to tell people to die in a fire. They are just using the system that was created.

Consequently, harassment should really not be a punishable offense. Except it should, because there is a fundamental difference between "using" the system and "abusing" the system.

[Belhi]

Sounds like a bad housing system to me. You can't blame people for taking advantage of a terrible system created by the devs. This is squarely the developer's fault.

I should also note that I don't have a house- couldn't afford it in this horrible mess they implemented. Regardless, it is the devs that are responsible for creating the worst housing system in any game I've ever seen. Players are just using the system that was created.

Yes you can blame people for using a game system in a manner it was clearly not intended for. If Housing trading was supposed to be a thing people would actually be able to trade land rather than the current situation where you have to pay a person to leave and then pay again to buy the land from the game.

This isn't selling land. It's effectively charging a toil for access to an in game feature. That's a borderline exploit.

[Sterne]

It seems really weird if that would be against the game's rules.

That being said, I understand people's outrage. A lot of players can't get housing at all and some players are making a fortune flipping houses. I personally don't have a problem with it because I think it's just like playing any other kind of market

As in real life, the housing market has regulations and some semblance of control. What has become common practice, I honestly believe, is indeed disruptive, and does fall under the ToS as section 3.2 for two reasons:

1. On principle, some content is blocked by not owning a house. Taking advantage of this demand for housing by buying a large amount and selling the plots for excessive gil, is indeed disruptive.

2. Aside from principle, lets take a step back and look at the obvious. The WIDESPREAD outrage is a disruption to the game and player base. So what is there to do except go after the source of this disruption.

[Naliee]

People are greedy and keep buying empty plots to troll and make "easy" money

But I also have to point out that people are dumb if they actually go to other player to buy small land for 30M.

[ExKage]

People are greedy and keep buying empty plots to troll and make "easy" money

But I also have to point out that people are dumb if they actually go to other player to buy small land for 30M.

Or 40M... 10M i can agree with but 40M? Whatthe.

Honestly I don't mind market play but price gouging, by selling limited resources for exorbitant profit is another thing. 40M.

[ApolloGenX]

By that logic, the players are never at fault for anything. The developers put a terrible chat system in place that allows you to say bad things to people, so obviously it's not the player's fault when they take advantage of that to tell people to die in a fire. They are just using the system that was created.

Consequently, harassment should really not be a punishable offense. Except it should, because there is a fundamental difference between "using" the system and "abusing" the system.

Unless there is a program defect that allows something like duping... but if the devs don't fix it and let it go on... then yes it is their fault.

Devs control everything in this world- all the rules, systems, and resources. They create the place for players to act. This game, in particular is incredibly controlled and on rails.

So yes- it is the devs fault. If players are acting a way they didn't anticipate, because thier design was bad - they can fix the design or accept the behavior. Either way- they are in control- what happens is their responsibility.

"Greedy" players is not a real thing. Self interest drives the entire loot system and reward system of this game. Badly designed abusable systems are a real thing. That's what this is.

It's really unclear if this activity is breaching ToS or not because different GMs say opposite things. Some people are in jail for selling houses, some getting the official letter response it's legal and fine.

- Because they don't even know what their design is supposed to be... it's a cluster of incompetence. If it was intentional- they could say so. Unintentional, they could fix. They don't even know.... it's pathetic.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

again you can not justify the fact these people who buy the plots even mistakenly selling over what they bought property for cause the fact remains the person will have to rebuy the plot.

Even still people that make people pay twice...... exestuation....

[SuperZay]

It's really unclear if this activity is breaching ToS or not because different GMs say opposite things. Some people are in jail for selling houses, some getting the official letter response it's legal and fine.

[ExKage]

It's really unclear if this activity is breaching ToS or not because different GMs say opposite things. Some people are in jail for selling houses, some getting the official letter response it's legal and fine.

Hopefully this thread will gain the attention of the Head GM to provide us with clarification. I noticed that some people with the "ok response" were from EU datacenter so it's possible there is inconsistency between teams.

[Madjames]

Need an answer please