Just like i predicted.

[Lambdafish]

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I addressed this in my previous post, so apologies if I didn't retread it in the post you replied to. I think the current system is poor, and that people should be allowed to have access to this content, but this is NOT the fault of the "greedy" players that this thread is about, it's entirely the fault of the system that SE has created. The solution was made clear in the recent live letter in that more plots are coming, and so are apartments.

TLDR: Blame square, nobody else

Again, I hope that clarified my point

[AnnietheCat]

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I wasn't finding fault with what you said, nor was I being combative(trust me, you'd know when I was )
And I'll reiterate: The problem is SE's faulty system, but blaming the shitty players who are doing shitty things is fair as well. Just because a purse is sitting unwatched out in the open doesn't make it ok to take it. Just because the system can be exploited doesn't mean it's anyone's right to exploit it. Literally everything in this game can be abused. But that doesn't make it okay when they do get abused.

[Lambdafish]

The problem is SE's faulty system, but blaming the shitty players who are doing shitty things is fair as well. Just because a purse is sitting unwatched out in the open doesn't make it ok to take it. Just because the system can be exploited doesn't mean it's anyone's right to exploit it.

I won't dispute what you are saying, because the housing market is broken and people are upset, but my big point is that I want people to forget about the players who are doing this, because it's turning into a witchhunt (I heard them get called the housing mafia in one thread) thanks to player entitlement. The entire game runs on a capitalist market, and square chose to allow housing to be a part of that capitalist market, and naturally, as with the real world, supply < demand prevails. Should Americans do a witchhunt on wallstreet and the 1%? No, they complain to the government to change the system, which is the point im trying to make.

And just so you know, your argument of stealing an unattended purse is incorrect, because that IS against the law, selling houses for these huge prices isn't against the ToS, and is completely legal in the games rules, like I said, its more akin to the diamond industry or companies like apple.

Also, this is not an exploit. An exploit is a bug or feature in a game that is not working as intended, and fundamentally breaks the way the develops intend for you to play the game. But Khuja, you say, thats exactly whats going on; WRONG, we have had actual exploits in the game before, and square are very efficient in spotting them as soon as players start using them, and are quick to release a statement asking players not to do this, with this problem, the developers have said nothing except that they know there isnt enough housing. Conclusion: the system is designed to allow players to buy and sell houses, the system is also designed to allow players to buy multiple houses. Ergo, this is not an exploit, this is working as intended. Whether working as intended is good enough is another story, but calling this an exploit is wrong.

[Karlek]

What is wrong with sale of the houses in the first place? Everyone is grabbing houses in order to benefit themselves in one way or another. Should your desire to benefit yourself take precedence over someone else simply because you might use the house in a way that your mind justifies as "correct"? So instead of grabbing and selling unwatched pursue, you instead decide to grab it and hang it around your neck. How does this give you a moral high ground?

[MihaelB]

What is wrong with sale of the houses in the first place? Everyone is grabbing houses in order to benefit themselves in one way or another. Should your desire to benefit yourself take precedence over someone else simply because you might use the house in a way that your mind justifies as "correct"? So instead of grabbing and selling unwatched pursue, you instead decide to grab it and hang it around your neck. How does this give you a moral high ground?

It's not in the spirit of the service nor is it's purpose. If you're justifying something based on people's benefits, then we may as well scam and rob every single person for individual benefit or troll every dungeon for individual satisfaction. Certain precedence does exist.

[Lexia]

If I had another way to move to our desired destination I would. No homes came up (Plots 7-8-9-10) in the lavender beds so we bought these to sell and purchase the homes from resellers behind our FC house. So no, I will NOT be getting any profit from this. If you can find a different way then please I am all ears.

Currently between me and my wife we are sitting on 400k total. My friend has roughly 40k and our FC has 6k in it so it isnt like we can up and move our FC house to the mists where these home are located or we would.

So you selling overpriced houses to other so you can then turn around and buy a overpriced house from someone else? Why don't you level up some crafting jobs or do more on leveling on your gathering jobs and make gil that way.

If you can find a different way then please I am all ears.

From this sounds like you not very good at making gil which I ask how you made your 5 million gil to buy a small house anyways?

[Knahli]

And just so you know, your argument of stealing an unattended purse is incorrect, because that IS against the law, selling houses for these huge prices isn't against the ToS, and is completely legal in the games rules

Ethically. Unless you are insinuating that law/ToS are the only moral guides to follow, or that anything is fine so long as you know you won't get caught. Housing is an extremely desirable and highly limited feature. Equating the massive anticipation surrounding it to the desires of someone wanting to rip-off and limit land to the highest bidders is nowhere near to being the same thing, even if it is technically legal. Do you honestly think SE would condone this behaviour if there was anything they could to do indisputably detect and correct it?

[Madjames]

So you selling overpriced houses to other so you can then turn around and buy a overpriced house from someone else? Why don't you level up some crafting jobs or do more on leveling on your gathering jobs and make gil that way.


From this sounds like you not very good at making gil which I ask how you made your 5 million gil to buy a small house anyways?

Hmm well lets see here I started playng this game in March of this year. I started a brand new character on a new server with my wife.

From then until now I accumulated 55 million gil by doing nothing but buying vendor items and reselling them. I also did a bit of gathering on the side.

In the past month I have purchased a medium sized house by myself with no one elses's help for my free company. I sold my small for 5 Eastern Cherry trees and resold them for 2.5 mil a piece. I originaly the home due to an alt being in a guild and master being transferred to me because no one ever logged on past june of this year.

When master was given to me, I had 28mil gil from doing nothing but selling vendor items from all over the world.

I found someone willing to sell their medium in Lavender beds plot 11 ward 5 because they were going to be purchasing a large that had just been relinquished. I transferred this person my dead FC with now no house. I got into their FC with said medium, put 32mil gil in the guild bank. They then gave me master of that fc that included furnishings + airship bay and a completed airship. They went and changed my old FC to their name and I changed the new acquired FC to my guild name and had all of my friends transfer over to the new one. So basically we got to keep our FC name with a new house.

At this point I had 10mil gil left. I recruited and now my guild has 100 members in it with a fully furnished guild house. My wife and best friend worked their humps off and we scrounged selling random stuff from December 1st until december 25th. On the 25th I had 13mil so not enough for the three smalls were were wanting to buy. A friend of mine gave me the 4 mil I needed and we bought plots 49-50-51 ward 2 in the mists. We are now sitting on 400k left. My wife has a small, my best friend and his wife are sharing their small and I have my small.

In fact I will say I am really good at making gil, it is not hard. However nothing I have done in the game is neither against the TOS nor is it not legal. I am sorry people are willing to buy things for 40-150k that they could have purchased on a vendor for 9-11k but that is how it is. The rest of the gil I had made went to fully furnishing the guild house and providing low level crafting materials for our crafters leveling their crafts.

The issue right now is NOTHING on my two retainers is selling. That is why I am forced to sell my three mists plots in the best location in the game. Had things continued to sell over the holiday season, I would be able to purchase a medium in the same ward as our three smalls and have no issues but that is not the case.

Also I refuse to craft. I will never craft. I make my gil playing the MB nothing more.

[Soraki-Muppe]

I have been wanting to buy a personal house for a long time now, and since I have waited this long I can wait a little longer. So the sharks bought all the open spots to sell them at insane prices, do like me and wait until 3.3 or beyond, do this and they will have made nothing from their land grab, or wait 45days and then they would have either had to use it or lose it.
My point, if it was not clear enough is that if there is none who buy these overprices lots, then people will stop doing this. Sure we will have to wait a little longer, but I would rather do that then give these people any of my gil.

[Lambdafish]

Ethically. Unless you are insinuating that law/ToS are the only moral guides to follow, or that anything is fine so long as you know you won't get caught.

You aren't wrong, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are well within their right. I just thought of a great example. This is like Star Wars: Battlefront. The treatment of that game was poor considering the hype surrounding it, and the price charged (including DLC) for the amount of content was close to ripping people of. Is this unethical? yes. Is this business? yes. Should you whine and rant about it? no, should you pay with your wallet and I dont know.... boycott housing so that the sellers don't have a market? yes.

SE are adding more plots and apartments, and the more people are tolerant of waiting, and less whiny and salty about current housing, the less of a market for housing there will be, and the prices will drop.