Just like i predicted.

[Morbid]

Supply < Demand isn't greed. All the relic crafting mats being sold for far more than it cost to make (millions) isn't greed, it's poor design. Blame SE for the poor system sure, because with how it is, you are well within your right to, but don't blame players who see an opportunity, calling them greedy. It's not greed, these houses are valuable, they are worth money, people will buy them. Yes, thats a bad system, but that's not the fault of the budding moneymaker.

Also, the house is worth 60mil if someone is willing to pay 60mil, which in the current housing market is very likely, welcome to economy folks.

TLDR: Blame square, nobody else

I can blame SE for the housing bug that prevents plots from unlocking. This guy is just talking about pure greed...

Lol.. karma is a mofo tho.. just look at what happened to that pharmaceutical CEO.. who jacked up the price on those HIV treatment pills.. he's bout to serve some time.. and why? Oh he was a greedy fuq who was just another one of the pyramid scheme con-men..

[Lambdafish]

I can blame SE for the housing bug that prevents plots from unlocking. This guy is just talking about pure greed...

Lol.. karma is a mofo tho.. just look at what happened to that pharmaceutical CEO.. who jacked up the price on those HIV treatment pills.. he's bout to serve some time.. and why? Oh he was a greedy fuq who was just another one of the pyramid scheme con-men..

I think there is a slight difference between forcing people to choose between not dying or bankrupcy, and buying a virtual house in a pretend economy, but nice hyperbole. People can live without a pretend house, and still enjoy the game. SE is fixing this by adding more housing and apartments in the future.The system is there for players to sell houses for as much as players are willing to buy them for (this is the price of vanity, not the price of your own life, so your comparison is moot), if players think its unfair that people are charging so much, then maybe stop buying the houses for those prices. Compare it to the diamond industry in terms of ripping people off, or apple and other brands selling their products at an extreme price compared to competitors just because money, not that CEO that may have cost people their lives because of profit.

And before anyone says anything personal, I'm poor, and don't own a house, but would be very interested in buying an apartment when that comes out.

[AnnietheCat]

People can live without a pretend house, and still enjoy the game.

You aren't wrong in this, however everyone can have different goals. Since reaching endgame, housing is what I enjoy the most. When waiting on my queue to pop I can redecorate or craft new furniture to fill empty spaces. The promise to us was that anyone who could afford a house(FC and personal) would be able to get one, and SE hasn't made good on that. Some people just want their own space. Some people want a house for RP purposes. There are a lot of different reasons. And honestly, if I hadn't gotten my FC's house or at least my personal before space was gone, I probably would have quit too. So while the original comparison is moot, the point still stands: SE has a system in place that allows for this extortion to occur and they are unwilling to fix their mistake, and this system strips players and entire FC's who can afford it of enjoyment and, in the case of FC's, content. and Morbid is hoping that the western version of Karma will get retribution on these greedy, selfish players, and I can definitely drink to that.

[Lambdafish]

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I addressed this in my previous post, so apologies if I didn't retread it in the post you replied to. I think the current system is poor, and that people should be allowed to have access to this content, but this is NOT the fault of the "greedy" players that this thread is about, it's entirely the fault of the system that SE has created. The solution was made clear in the recent live letter in that more plots are coming, and so are apartments.

TLDR: Blame square, nobody else

Again, I hope that clarified my point

[AnnietheCat]

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I wasn't finding fault with what you said, nor was I being combative(trust me, you'd know when I was )
And I'll reiterate: The problem is SE's faulty system, but blaming the shitty players who are doing shitty things is fair as well. Just because a purse is sitting unwatched out in the open doesn't make it ok to take it. Just because the system can be exploited doesn't mean it's anyone's right to exploit it. Literally everything in this game can be abused. But that doesn't make it okay when they do get abused.

[Lambdafish]

The problem is SE's faulty system, but blaming the shitty players who are doing shitty things is fair as well. Just because a purse is sitting unwatched out in the open doesn't make it ok to take it. Just because the system can be exploited doesn't mean it's anyone's right to exploit it.

I won't dispute what you are saying, because the housing market is broken and people are upset, but my big point is that I want people to forget about the players who are doing this, because it's turning into a witchhunt (I heard them get called the housing mafia in one thread) thanks to player entitlement. The entire game runs on a capitalist market, and square chose to allow housing to be a part of that capitalist market, and naturally, as with the real world, supply < demand prevails. Should Americans do a witchhunt on wallstreet and the 1%? No, they complain to the government to change the system, which is the point im trying to make.

And just so you know, your argument of stealing an unattended purse is incorrect, because that IS against the law, selling houses for these huge prices isn't against the ToS, and is completely legal in the games rules, like I said, its more akin to the diamond industry or companies like apple.

Also, this is not an exploit. An exploit is a bug or feature in a game that is not working as intended, and fundamentally breaks the way the develops intend for you to play the game. But Khuja, you say, thats exactly whats going on; WRONG, we have had actual exploits in the game before, and square are very efficient in spotting them as soon as players start using them, and are quick to release a statement asking players not to do this, with this problem, the developers have said nothing except that they know there isnt enough housing. Conclusion: the system is designed to allow players to buy and sell houses, the system is also designed to allow players to buy multiple houses. Ergo, this is not an exploit, this is working as intended. Whether working as intended is good enough is another story, but calling this an exploit is wrong.

[Karlek]

What is wrong with sale of the houses in the first place? Everyone is grabbing houses in order to benefit themselves in one way or another. Should your desire to benefit yourself take precedence over someone else simply because you might use the house in a way that your mind justifies as "correct"? So instead of grabbing and selling unwatched pursue, you instead decide to grab it and hang it around your neck. How does this give you a moral high ground?

[Knahli]

And just so you know, your argument of stealing an unattended purse is incorrect, because that IS against the law, selling houses for these huge prices isn't against the ToS, and is completely legal in the games rules

Ethically. Unless you are insinuating that law/ToS are the only moral guides to follow, or that anything is fine so long as you know you won't get caught. Housing is an extremely desirable and highly limited feature. Equating the massive anticipation surrounding it to the desires of someone wanting to rip-off and limit land to the highest bidders is nowhere near to being the same thing, even if it is technically legal. Do you honestly think SE would condone this behaviour if there was anything they could to do indisputably detect and correct it?