SE we forgive you.

[Lambdafish]

So much anger. "Nice logical fallacy, bro" Haha.. gotta love the internet and the Philosophy 101 army that mans it. And no... only an idiot would play a GAME that is not fun. Kinda goes against the very nature of gaming. Have to question why anyone would do it. And no.. this is not the "world" as you say. Again... a game. Move on to the 100,000 other gaming titles on any other platform that might bring you just a smidge more enjoyment.

How much time and money have you invested in this game? Personally I have invested a lot, for a long time. This isnt just any old game, this is a game that a lot of us have invested a lot in, and I think that gives us the right to care about the content that goes into it. To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

Also, I have to wonder what kind of constructive argument that is, all you are doing is shutting down constructive feedback, good job you

[BreathlessTao]

To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

This right here. Those who only want a game to have fun with - they simply leave if they don't get it. Those who dedicate so much energy, invest so much time in posting here, often even repeating the same unheard-but-already-said suggestions and opinions - those are the fans. Those are the ones who want to see the game soar higher, and that's why they're angry and agitated when they see the opposite happening and are completely helpless beyond voicing their opinions.

[Aniond]

I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

[AkashiXI]

I'm just going to say this. For whatever reason, my FC, LS's, server, open-worlds, instances, etc etc have been more lively than for such a long time ever since this relic dropped. I get that's it's the thing to complain about now. But if it was SE's intention to breathe some life into the world they created, than they succeeded admirably. If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it. For chrissakes, it's not a job or a prison sentence. People can opt out. Which doesn't appear to be the case on my server. Just going by empirical evidence here in-game.

I really don't feel like debating the merits of this questline. IMO it's really no different than any other part pre-nerf. But my server is extremely active again. And for that... I'm kinda thankful.

Save the "white knight" BS please. I don't pretend to have anything to gain from voicing what is just my opinion.

That may be the case for your community, but currently mine is the opposite. My free company, in which I founded on August 2013, is at an all time low, even lower than 2.53. There's zero motivation from my members to continue with savage or progress with their relic, and I'm trying desperately to breathe life into their satisfaction with the game. So I'm not calling you a liar, I'm simply saying your sample size may be too small to think that this patch brought life to the game.

[Kaurie]

I don't get the OP.

Either you:

are upset, in which case you are not going to forgive, because they haven't apologized or done anything to warrant forgiveness.

are not upset, in which case you don't have anything to forgive.



In regards to all the "unsub" "go play something else" "just don't do the relic" etc type posts. Most people are actually intelligent enough to be able to make these decisions for themselves, and they don't need you to say that to them. It's not a defense against their argument. If you actually have a defense or counter-argument, state that instead.

I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

You say this like providing consumer feedback is a bad thing. It is actually a very useful thing in all forms of the service industry. I know when I worked for AT&T Wireless, they said their favourite customers were the ones who called in yelling about what they were upset about, and their least favourite were the ones who stayed quiet and just cancelled their service. This was because they could actually take the feedback from the loud customers and/or try to rectify the problem. The quiet ones are just lost business.

It is actually in the best interest of both the consumer and the business for the consumer to provide feedback.

I'm just going to say this. For whatever reason, my FC, LS's, server, open-worlds, instances, etc etc have been more lively than for such a long time ever since this relic dropped. I get that's it's the thing to complain about now. But if it was SE's intention to breathe some life into the world they created, than they succeeded admirably. If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it. For chrissakes, it's not a job or a prison sentence. People can opt out. Which doesn't appear to be the case on my server. Just going by empirical evidence here in-game.

I really don't feel like debating the merits of this questline. IMO it's really no different than any other part pre-nerf. But my server is extremely active again. And for that... I'm kinda thankful. .

I worry that this is how SE interprets the data

[Mercutial]

How much time and money have you invested in this game? Personally I have invested a lot, for a long time. This isnt just any old game, this is a game that a lot of us have invested a lot in, and I think that gives us the right to care about the content that goes into it. To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

Also, I have to wonder what kind of constructive argument that is, all you are doing is shutting down constructive feedback, good job you

Ok... I somewhat understand this stance. To answer your question, close to two years here. Yeah.. I've invested a lot. All grinds pre-nerf. Raiding. Building up social circles. More grinding... haha.

That being said, you're right. You've invested a lot into this game. As such, you feel that it owes you a bit in return. My only point being that there are soooooo many excellent games out there right now that if you wanted to take your business elsewhere, you might be better off for it. I know it may be hard because you have definitely put so much of your time into this one particular game, but the rides gotta end sometime, right? Why not pull off the band-aid when the game ceases to be fun? I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it certainly seems like the sane thing to do. I could understand if it was the only gaming experience on the market. But it's not.

A LOT of people are out making Eorzea feel alive again for the first time in a long time. I'm going to choose to look at the bright side of what so many others see as a crap sundae.

And I apologize if my initial posts seemed antagonistic. Guess I'm getting swept up in all the mayhem. Certainly not my intention.

[Lambdafish]

My only point being that there are soooooo many excellent games out there right now that if you wanted to take your business elsewhere, you might be better off for it.

You are absolutely right, and that's what worries me. The people that love the game, but aren't so passionate have gone on to play Fallout 4, and other games and not looked back. What exactly does that mean for the health of this game? What we (the vocal complainers) want and know, is that walking away more likely means the games failure (big boss SE sees numbers failing and cuts budget and team size, leads to even more problems in the future) rather than making a statement. This is why we cry out, we want to tell them as loud as possible what can be done to improve our play experience. Doing that is worth it to us because we want to have the same enjoyment from the game as we used to, and we know that if some changes are made then we can.

A LOT of people are out making Eorzea feel alive again for the first time in a long time. I'm going to choose to look at the bright side of what so many others see as a crap sundae.

All I can really say is... good for them? I guess? A lot of people seem to throw around "vocal minority" and "the entire community" arbitrarily without knowing any facts, only SE knows the facts, and thats all that really matters at the end of the day. What I will say is that since 3.1 the world has felt a lot emptier, my FC and LS has less people online, queues for content are longer, and the game feels lonely and barrren, I certainly dont feel these players making Eorzea alive.

And I apologize if my initial posts seemed antagonistic. Guess I'm getting swept up in all the mayhem. Certainly not my intention.

I wanted to end on a good note, because I really respect you for saying this. My biggest gripe with 3.x is the rift that it has been formed between players. The amount of people that have been "offended"by reasonable complaints has astounded me, and to have you be fair about it is refreshing. Thanks ^^, and sorry too if anything I said seemed snarky or rude, my intention was simply to explain why people are upset, because it really is understandable

[Elazu]

I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

Very childish post.

What people like you conveniently ignore is that the people who complain care about the game and want it to succeed. You yes-sayers that eat up every crappy decision the dev team comes up with will be the death of this game.

[Felmyst]

I ain't forgiving anyone.

I care for my game and I do not like the state it has reached. New relic line sucks. It is pretty much forcing people to level crafting up because if we don't well market board will eat us alive, once again. Because player base are selfish.

Let's talk about raiding? Oh yeah! Alexander Savage! Nobody want Paladins because they don't do enough damage... just get your game up people! Thordan EX out? Everyone wants a Paladin now because it takes less damage! But huh...where are all the paladins gone to? Oh yeah... they switched to another class.

Sorry Devs I know you try but instead loosing time on developing "AFK Camera that zooms on random interactive objects." fix the real problems. SE, stop being lazy and give your game tools already. Why was live letter only in freaking Japanese again? When 3/4 of you player base speak English.

This game should be fun. Not an hassle. I remember logging on FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 "Do no forget about you family, life, school when you play!" and had to press okay. Now it's more like "Forget about everything because you need to grind for 16 hours a day if you want to enjoy your game and stuff."

[FunkYeahDragons]

I was never mad to begin with. I took a break to try other MMOs and came back screaming for sanctuary.

There are MMOs out there that don't even let you rearrange your hotbars. FFXIV even lets me change GC colors in PVP because I can't tell neon yellow and neon green apart very well, as minor a detail as it is (that most don't care about, let alone need).

<3 SE, just address the issues.