Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[FeliAiko]

Or people just enjoy it and don't want it changing?

When HW launched, did ARR dungeons disappear? No, so why would SE adding new content concern them if the older content they like running is still around?

I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. Why can't we simply enjoy something? It's a counter argument in itself. Some of us like it, some of us don't.

I don't have an issue with people liking it. I liked it too... back when I was doing it under 2 years ago. I do take issue with SE repackaging that very same content then trying to present it as something new. That's an insult to the players intelligence.

[Stanelis]

Or people just enjoy it and don't want it changing? I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. Why can't we simply enjoy something? It's a counter argument in itself. Some of us like it, some of us don't.

Would you really mind if SE added actual content related to the relic (quest and specific bosses) or made improvements to the game design of FFXIV ?

[WinterLuna]

Would you really mind if SE added actual content related to the relic (quest and specific bosses) or made improvements to the game design of FFXIV ?

I didn't once say I'm against new content. People are turning this around again. All I'm saying is that some people enjoy the new relic and don't have a problem with it. Square can, and will, add more new content, it doesn't have to be in relation to the relic.

Of course I'm not against new content, that's just silly. What I am against is people using the fact its old content as an argument to belittle people's opinions who DO enjoy it.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm not good with wording.

[Blood-Aki]

I didn't once say I'm against new content. People are turning this around again. All I'm saying is that some people enjoy the new relic and don't have a problem with it. Square can, and will, add more new content, it doesn't have to be in relation to the relic.

Of course I'm not against new content, that's just silly. What I am against is people using the fact its old content as an argument to belittle people's opinions who DO enjoy it.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm not good with wording.

This seems more of "if you don't agree with me, something is wrong with you" type debate going on here, Clearly if people do not like this grind and the way it's done, you're not allowed to.

[WinterLuna]

This seems more of "if you don't agree with me, something is wrong with you" type debate going on here, Clearly if people do not like this grind and the way it's done, you're not allowed to.

I am against the people who can't accept that some enjoy the relic. If you don't like it, awesome! I don't care! That's fine!

I mean, the majority of the people even acting that way are the ones who dislike the relic and have something against the people that do. The only time ive argued with someone's opinion is when they say things like "this is not content", and remind them that actually, anything inside FFXIV is content, whether they want to do it or not.

[Lahabread]

Add horizontal options as well as vertical ones, add more dam raid bosses and trials and more engaging content , not something like this drivel and then maybe the complaints will stop.

[Madjames]

I know I for one would stop complaining if


1. They took out the stupid raid timer and added 10-15 bosses in ONE raid instance like Vanilla, BC, Wotlk, Cata, and MoP in wow with trash included that can drop rare stuff or even mounts. The raids in this game are one hit wonder loot bosses, more like primals. The raiding isnt even raiding. Give me back my raids. Most hardcore friends of mine REFUSE to play this game because sadly, your one hit wonder primal boss fights are not raids and they refuse to play a game like that.

2. They stopped limiting us into the ground just so we are forced to buy extra retainers. I am paying a subscription. I should be allowed to mail my alts, transfer as much gil as I want between them and have twice as much space per character as I have now without paying extra. This is the ONLY subscription based game where we MUST pay extra for extra space.

3. Take out the HQ crafting requirements from the relic. This relic should be obtainable with TIME invested only. If you are going to force those of us who refuse to run your so called raids into having to use crafters to get high end gear then you had better start requiring all of the hardcore raiders to do so as well. Make their weapons and armor start requiring HQ specialty crafting only items to get said weapon or armor and see how they like it. If you are unwilling to do that SE then STOP punishing one playstyle and not the others.


You do that and I guarantee you that this game will become the new wow.

[Faytte]

I've seen the term used very often when people leap to the defense of the new relics, imo it's kinda weak, and if you're that desperate for 'something to do' in game you should probably take a break.

Because there is nothing else to do.

--> log in
--->spend 2 hours clearing out as1/2/throdan
laugh at as3
---> log out and play WoW until next week.

Honestly the only reason I log in is cause of my friends. The game lost my interest long ago.

[DPZ2]

They took out the stupid raid timer ...
...

3. Take out the HQ crafting requirements from the relic....

A few comments as a follow up:

1. Rare items and/or mounts did not start popping up from raids for quite some time. I do like the fact that if you are 20 levels higher than older raids you can almost solo them now. As for raid timers -- for most of WoW's raids, there was a weekly timeout for repetition -- you could only kill a boss once for loot over the week.

2. With two retainers, I have more bag space available than for the first 5 years I played WoW, starting in Burning Crusade. Every F2P game out there charges for more bag space in one way or another, even the ones that have subscriptions [personal knowledge after purchasing inventory space in SWTOR two weeks ago, while subscribed to the game]. I'd prefer having 4 of the 8 retainers be free though.

3. The original relic required HQ crafting AND melding of materia. It wouldn't bother me at all if they ditch such requirements for 3.x. Just be aware that for many expansions, all raiders in WoW HAD to have some crafting skill to make higher-end gear or add gems with stats [Blacksmith Bracers come to mind] in order to raid 'correctly'. It's not an idea limited to FFXIV.

The grass may look greener, but that's generally just a trick of the light.

[Klamor]

Live report from FF XIV forums! This is Laurelin Kementari for Independant News, here to give you an update on the developping situation concerning the 3.15 relic discussions! Latest report suggest that forum member Hellboy-sa made a dive towards the point but missed it in an absolutely spectacular fashion. The point sailed over his head and was last reported going into orbit around Jupiter. We will continue to monitor the situation and bring you the latest developments! This was Laurelin Kementari, back to the studio!

This just made my whole f****** month!