Do you find running the same raid/dungeon/fight 100+ times fun?

[Azurymber]

Remember when titan HM was the hardest part of doing a 2.0 relic?

People complained and now this is the crap storm we got. When you take the bite out of any and all (bar savage) content, the only thing left to create a "sense" of difficulty is super long grinds. This is what you guys wanted, a casual weapon that is max ilvl without having to step foot into any meaningful fights. You guys made your bed, lie in it.

people didn't complain because titan HM was hard. They complained because SE's server technology is backwards to the point where there were a ton of youtube videos showing people get hit when they weren't near any AOE.

If titan hard actually worked for everyone, I doubt many people would have complained.

[zosia]

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It was fixed and people still had problems with it, which is why titan hm was the last primal fight "required" for a relic. There was ample opportunity and plenty of primal fights all through arr to be required for the relic and SE never seized those opportunities. We got grinds because people complained about "difficulty."

Again, this is what the casual-core wanted and it titillates me to no end that they are upset about what their play style begot them. A grind can only be wrapped in a different package before it becomes old and this fish is starting to stink. My appetite for schadenfreude has been completely sated by this experience. I hope the next step is twice as grindy as this one.

[Azurymber]

It was fixed and people still had problems with it, which is why titan hm was the last primal fight "required" for a relic. There was ample opportunity and plenty of primal fights all through arr to be required for the relic and SE never seized those opportunities. We got grinds because people complained about "difficulty.".

why do you think it was fixed?
they fixed it for -some- people
I still get aoe lag on circle-aoes for numerous fights (e.g. i still get hit when i'm as far as possible from the AOE without falling off)

And so do many other people
Most of them just quit (half my friends who I started with left because they couldn't do endgame due to the server issues)

And it's not "me"
I had no issues with xi, 1.0, SWTOR, ESO, GW2, and various other games.

[zosia]

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After it was fixed, most "problems" with titan HM were ps3 sucked, your isp sucked, and/or the player sucked. Again, people complained and that was the last time we saw any real difficulty in the relic chain.

If the relic chain can't be difficult, it has to be grindy to gate players since the difficulty has been removed. I would love a relic that was shorter and more challenging rather than mindless repetitive grinds. But hey, I am just some hardcore player that is a minority, lets give the casual players what they want since they are the majority! LOLOLOLOLOL at least I can be entertained from their excessive whining about the lack of instant gratification and the excess of repetitiveness of grinding.

Ah, man, christmas came early this year.

[Moqi]

After it was fixed, most "problems" with titan HM were ps3 sucked, your isp sucked, and/or the player sucked. Again, people complained and that was the last time we saw any real difficulty in the relic chain.

I've been stuck on Titan until I got a PS4 because it was just impossible to evade WoL. As soon as I got it I beat it on my first try. The problem wasn't the difficulty, the problem was Titan (never had a problem with any other trial on my ps3). It's just another instance of the devs removing entirely a piece of content that's causing problems (trials in relic) rather than going to the root of the problem and fix it (avoid whatever causes Titan to be so laggy compared to the rest of the game).

Think crafted gear, classes, dual jobs... it's their mo.

[Stanelis]

I'm also unsure about whether you expect these sorts of things to apply the first time you go to a dungeon instance, or only afterward? How much randomization do you want? Should there be a separate queue set up for "daily randomized"? What would that mean to new player completion of leveling instances?

We're talking about level 60 content here, by now "new" players shouldn't be that new to the game anymore.

Also, non linear dungeons, in which you wouldn't have to go everywhere on a single run, may add some replay value (same goes for raids). Just the fact of having to think about where to go in the dungeon can provide the needed replay value, rather than having to rush trough a corridor in the current dungeons.

[DPZ2]

We're talking about level 60 content here, by now "new" players shouldn't be that new to the game anymore.

Also, non linear dungeons, in which you wouldn't have to go everywhere on a single run, may add some replay value (same goes for raids). Just the fact of having to think about where to go in the dungeon can provide the needed replay value, rather than having to rush trough a corridor in the current dungeons.

So, not leveling dungeons, but true level 60 instances then? That would be, um, Neverreap, Fractal Continuum, Pharos Sirius Hard and the Arboretum, yes?

You are describing something like the U'ghamaro Mines when you mean 'non-linear'? I have read in the forums of areas in FFXI something like this. Are they independent instances, or just part of the real world like the Mines? Any other MMOs come to mind where you've read about or experienced non-linearity?

[Kosmos992k]

Do you mean in the course of a couple of years, or a couple of weeks?

This comes under the heading of "they do it to themselves" in my opinion. People play however they want. I agree that running, and running and re-running the same dungeon 100+ times in a couple of weeks would be incredibly boring and would quickly burn me out on that dungeon at very least. Which is why I don't play that way.

But it's like that with everything in life. I might see a movie several times, but not consecutively. I might eat a Big-Mac for lunch today, but I'm not going to eat nothing but Big Macs for the next month, I'd get bored long before the month was out.

In everything variety is the spice of life and a balanced diet is important. Apply that principle to the way you play games and I think you will find the games themselves not only last longer, but are far more enjoyable.

Also, People need to understand that if they grind away at this for 4-6 hours a day doing the same thing, it's not healthy. Take a break, skip a day, do something else, read a book, see the sun, hug real people, don't play more than an hour or two at a time without taking a decent break. Seriously, not only are you hurting your enjoyment of the game, but you truly are hurting yourself.