to those japanese speakers...

[Kosmos992k]

If you look in game most people are fine with relics like myself its the vocal minority that does a lot of nay-saying and doom and gloom posts. There really isn't a problem with relics. I fully expected a grind because it was what they have done previously.

Indeed, that was the purposeful design of the original relic chain, the point being it was a long grind to allow players not running end-game to have an avenue open to them to obtain a 'good' weapon - albeit through a long, but not difficult, grind. I'm really not sure what the hell people expected. We talk a lot about entitlement on this forum, this is one of the few times when I think it is fair to talk about a group of players having a terrible sense of entitlement.

[Kaurie]

Indeed, that was the purposeful design of the original relic chain, the point being it was a long grind to allow players not running end-game to have an avenue open to them to obtain a 'good' weapon .

I thought the original relic chain required you to do Bowl of Embers, The Howling Eye and The Navel (Hard) where the Navel (Hard) was actually pretty tough in the gear level of the time.

[Kosmos992k]

I thought the original relic chain required you to do Bowl of Embers, The Howling Eye and The Navel (Hard) where the Navel (Hard) was actually pretty tough in the gear level of the time.

You're right I should have been more specific I was referring to the original Relic upgrade from Zenith, not the acquisition of the relic, and upgrade to Zenith. My apologies for not being clear. The original Zodiak upgrade path was designed to be a grind, as I said. That was what I was referring to. I think it matches the current relic upgrade path since the final form of the original Relic jumps a few steps and dovetails right in.