to those japanese speakers...

[Roegadyn_Bear]

While they certainly listen to the Japanese demographic more than they ever do to their American/European demographic, you also have to realize the cultural differences and attitudes between the two.

For one, they're not nearly as entitled as our demographic and when they are, they bring their point across in what could be considered a less aggressive, less whiny stance than we do.

I'm not saying they're better, but they're easier to engage in dialogue with and don't resort to sarcastic, caustic tirades nearly as much as we do.

[Kosmos992k]

While they certainly listen to the Japanese demographic more than they ever do to their American/European demographic, you also have to realize the cultural differences and attitudes between the two.

For one, they're not nearly as entitled as our demographic and when they are, they bring their point across in what could be considered a less aggressive, less whiny stance than we do.

If you want to understand the difference, look at the work ethic of Japanese vs American. I won't get drawn into a long discussion about this here, it's off topic and just not worth it. Speaking for myself from my own experience and knowledge, the actual, real life work ethic I see in the US is very poor compared to places like the UK or Germany. To my knowledge Japanese workers have a very strong work ethic and sense of honor and duty compared to most workers in most (all?) other developed nations. I believe that you can see the impact of these cultural differences expressed both in work ethic and the level of entitlement.

TL;DR Broadly speaking Japanese players expect to have to work hard for things, American and other English speaking (in particular) western gamers do not.

To be fair, NA fandoms in general have a tendency to react extremely harshly. Even assuming the devs do read this section. Can anyone blame them for not listening when half the first page has threads essentially calling them idiots? There's a good way to criticise. This isn't it.

Along with the entitlement, NA (and most English speaking) fandom reacts overly harshly. There is a point of view that says we have the right to express ourselves however we want, and this being the Internet, they go for it without fear of reprisal. I've always felt that rights come with responsibilities. If you want to have a right to do something, then you need to be prepared to be held accountable, and take responsibility for, the consequences of your action.

[AzureFlare]

Stuff.

That's funny. Last time I checked Japanese people, they don't expect to work hard, they just expect to work long (or at least clock many hours). Powernapping in Japan is also a big thing while their actual production rates are pretty average considering, not something you'd expect from 'hard workers'. Also, why are you drawing the conclusion that other English speaking western gamers do not expect to work for hard things when one sentence before that you say the US work ethic is poor compared to UK/Germany? Bit of a weird generalization there.
Nothing to say about the entitlement and emotion observations though.

[Kosmos992k]

That's funny. Last time I checked Japanese people, they don't expect to work hard, they just expect to work long (or at least clock many hours). Powernapping in Japan is also a big thing while their actual production rates are pretty average considering, not something you'd expect from 'hard workers'. Also, why are you drawing the conclusion that other English speaking western gamers do not expect to work for hard things when one sentence before that you say the US work ethic is poor compared to UK/Germany? Bit of a weird generalization there.
Nothing to say about the entitlement and emotion observations though.

You appear to think that all discussion and argument consists of binary points. The US work ethic is poorer than that I've seen in the UK and Germany. I've lived and worked both sides of the Atlantic, I'm speaking from my personal experience and knowledge. Your experience may vary. However, why does saying that somehow contradict the other point? In a relative sense I would place Japanese workers ahead of European ones in terms of their work ethic and efficiency, and I'd put Europe (including the UK for the most part) ahead of the USA when it comes to work ethic and efficiency Not a very popular opinion on this side of the Atlantic I am certain, we tend to view ourselves (Americans) as the best and do not tolerate dissent.

[AzureFlare]

Stuff

And why again do you assume me to think binary when you yourself turn your TL;DR into a binary section (Japan: Work hard. West European + NA = Don't work hard. Eh?)? I'm well aware you never stated a binary scale, likewise you never stated a beyond-binary scale. And I never pointed out a 'contradiction', I merely pointed a weird generalization to make based on the information you gave. You could've just said 'Broadly speaking Japanese players expect to have to work harder for things.', but instead you pushed one unidentified score and one low score together in the '0' score segment and one high score in the '1' segment, pushing your variables into a binary identification.
Excuse me, but who's thinking binary again?

[UBERHAXED]

You appear to think that all discussion and argument consists of binary points. The US work ethic is poorer than that I've seen in the UK and Germany. I've lived and worked both sides of the Atlantic, I'm speaking from my personal experience and knowledge. Your experience may vary. However, why does saying that somehow contradict the other point? In a relative sense I would place Japanese workers ahead of European ones in terms of their work ethic and efficiency, and I'd put Europe (including the UK for the most part) ahead of the USA when it comes to work ethic and efficiency Not a very popular opinion on this side of the Atlantic I am certain, we tend to view ourselves (Americans) as the best and do not tolerate dissent.

Woah... let's not compare the unemployed in a country full of immigrants to a country full a native people. For the upper echelon of American (those who are not in poverty, which to no surprise poverty is mostly immigrants) in corporate we work harder than in any country I've seen. My company acquired another company in the Netherlands and after a few months the first comment I hear them say is "Wow you guys never take vacation". Any let's not forget, in Japan you can apparently have your whole staff take vacation at the same time, forget deadlines, because they "deserved it". We have people in my company who have 400 hours a vacation racked up because they haven't taken vacation in years. Oh and let's not get into labor laws. When I when to the Netherlands, apparently no employee can work more than 40 hours a week without overtime and everyone must be within viewing distance of a window and you can bring all the vodka you want to your office. Meanwhile, since we are salaried, we Americans regularly work 65-75 hour weeks and still get our regular "40 hour" salary every week with no windows and we have to ask permission to go on vacation, which can be rejected if it would affect productivity of the company.

Please don't use your own poor work ethics and say all Americans are like you. We work very hard and are on top of the world's economy for this reason. And efficiency? Not speaking for other companies but just comparing the rate SE makes software to my own company with similar sized teams (giving SE the benefit of the doubt here and assume they have 1 artist, 1 architect, 1 director, 1 person for administrative tasks, and a couple teams of 4-5 programmers, which they probably have more) they take a very long time to pipeline a very simple (in terms of modifications in patches) piece of software. Perhaps they are a but too vertical or w/e but I think the largest problem may be that they spend too much time deciding how to do things than actually writing code. I they have a single person making decisions, then there's no reason why it takes this long to release patches unless their programmers aren't very productive.

Got a but off topic though, but it's a crime to spread misinformation to this degree. Especially when you intend to lump 330 million people you don't know into a "work ethic" that you have. It may not be the case that we are working harder to achieve the same effect (because we are working smarter) but that means that they have to be a bit more efficient. I didn't bother to ask what ind of work you don't because that's irrelevant but you have made comparisons to a country you haven't worked in so at least back up your dubious claim.

As for the actual topic... maybe you don't see complaints because they don't bother post things with have no logical basis. I would not be surprised if in media in Japan they don't say things out of fear that they would be called an idiot if the majority don't agree (because their opinion is unfounded). Meanwhile in the US we can say what ever idiotic things we want (barring treasonous threats) and don't have to worry about anything.

[RickXRolled]

If you want to have a right to do something, then you need to be prepared to be held accountable, and take responsibility for, the consequences of your action.

Saving this quote for future parser threads whenever someone is against dps players being held accountable.(anti-parser)

[Kosmos992k]

Saving this quote for future parser threads whenever someone is against dps players being held accountable.(anti-parser)

LOL! You really should read my posts more closely since I'm neither against a personal parser, nor an optional group one, and very much believe that poor DPS need to be held accountable. But, that is all a different discussion to this, so let's not drag it out here.